Hebrew Voices #195 – Ancient Hebrew in America?

In this episode of Hebrew Voices #195, Ancient Hebrew in America?, Nehemia speaks to a geologist about the only Paleo-Hebrew inscription found in an Indian burial mound during an archeological excavation. Is the Bat Creek Inscription scientific evidence of pre-Columbian … Continue reading →

In this episode of Hebrew Voices #195, Ancient Hebrew in America?, Nehemia speaks to a geologist about the only Paleo-Hebrew inscription found in an Indian burial mound during an archeological excavation. Is the Bat Creek Inscription scientific evidence of pre-Columbian contact with Israelite lost tribes or a 19th century hoax by a Smithsonian Institute archeologist?

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Hebrew Voices #195 – Ancient Hebrew in America?

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Nehemia: Shalom and welcome to Hebrew Voices in a joint episode with Mormon Book Reviews. Steven Pynakker is here with me hosting, and we are going to be speaking today to Scott Wolter. Hello Steven and hello Scott.

Scott: How are you doing?

Nehemia: I’m really excited! We’ll be talking about the Bat Creek inscription, which is a Paleo-Hebrew inscription that was discovered in a Smithsonian Institute archeological excavation in 1889. Steven, I’m going to hand it off to you now.

Steven: Okay. Well, welcome to Mormon Book Reviews, where an Evangelical encounters the Restoration. I’m your host, Steven Pynakker, and I’m honored and privileged to do this joint collaboration with Nehemia. By the way, Nehemia, it’s Pynakker!

Nehemia: Pynakker, okay!

Steven: I’m not calling you Nehemiah anymore!

Nehemia: I don’t mind you calling me Neheemiah, Nehemia. Just don’t call me baldy, that’s very sensitive!

Steven: Okay! So, I just want to welcome Scott onto the program as well, and I’m really excited to be doing this collaboration. And it’s really nice, because Nehemia, you’re an expert. You’re a scholar, and we’re both very interested in the subject of Mormonism. Of course, you’ve been doing this epic interview recently with my good friend Dan Vogel…

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David Alan BartonAugust 4, 2024 at 11:23 PM

Maybe I missed something but it seemed like Mr. Wolter’s argument for authenticity came down to the fact there was the clay residue in the newer scratches but no residue in the older scratches (the Paleo-Hebrew characters). This to me doesn’t really prove authenticity. He didn’t mention any analysis (or even an estimate) of how long it would take for the residue to weather away. The newer scratches could have been ~40 years old or ~120 years old. If the inscription was a fake it would be ~130 years old. So how do we know that the up to 90 year time difference isn’t significant? I’m not a geologist so maybe the answer is obvious to someone who knows the field but to me this was a missing link in the argument.

Also I wanted to mention that the polishing lines around the character inscription did not seem to be present near the newer scratches. To me this raises a question, could this be evidence of a cleaning or artificial weathering that a potential hoaxer might have used to make the inscription look older than it otherwise would? The stone seems to be naturally smooth so the polishing marks seem out of place to me.

Mr. Wolter’s attitude also left me less than impressed. He talked about coming to evidence with a blank slate but then he accepted at face value the statements of the man accused faking the stone. He also was very uninterested in doing the control experiments that Nehemia suggested.

Maybe the inscription is genuine, I really don’t know but after watching this video I’m left skeptical. Also I do think that skepticism is valid for unusual evidence that is out of place or contradictory. That’s not to say you throw it out but you have to work hard to validate that explanation and exclude other possibilities. It doesn’t seem like Mr. Wolter did that. Maybe he did and that is presented in his report or book but I didn’t see that here.

Geoff C RobinsonAugust 4, 2024 at 4:29 PM

Woops, I got names swapped around. I meant Scott, not Mark….. in my comment below.

Geoff C RobinsonAugust 4, 2024 at 4:22 PM

I thought the interview was interesting. Does the Paleo-Hebrew make any sense linguistically?

I thought Mark’s observations were technically excellent as a geologist. (I am a structural engineer with an extensive material testing background.)

I do not hold to any of the Mason, Freemason, Mormon or Knights Templar issues.

I honestly had to smile when the last two minutes turned into you being encouraged to read Rabbi Samath’s book on the name of God and God being transgender….. He obviously is unaware of your research, books published, interests, background or beliefs. All I could do is smile….. you were very professional and courteous.

I actually hope there is a followup episode to this one.

Michael GriffinAugust 2, 2024 at 10:15 AM

This guy knows nothing and continued to write a book about it. Sounds about right. Made himself less credible the further he went on and on. Basically knows nothing at all except ideology and BS he was taught as a Mason. He doesn’t know the letter A comes from the Alepth but wrote a book on it. I had an Aunt that became a new Christian and then told me all about how she understood everything like no one else and was writting a book on how it was…. sure…..Great interview Nehemia. When he started his Masonic/Templar idol worship, kudos to being able to keep your mouth shut, I couldn’t have.

Michael GriffinAugust 2, 2024 at 9:26 AM

This guy thinks being a Freemason or being affiliated with any of those groups is somehow admirable. You don’t need some group/label to be a ‘Good man’. Masonic rituals are like Kiddie Pool versions of the ‘real thing’ – which I also believe has ZERO power. As soon as he said, it’s what led him to becoming a Freemason – it just made me sad. “Before you become a brother Mason they vet you.” What a lost man. You will never be the Master of your own life if you have men above you. Like when people say the begin to love the Torah and just delve into a bunch of Jewish mysticism and rituals. Sad, sad, sad.

Frank CarrilloAugust 1, 2024 at 1:26 PM

Check out Description Rock in New Mexico with Paleo-Hebrew?

Michael GriffinAugust 1, 2024 at 8:39 AM

This was awesome! I always enjoy the way Nehemia can push a little at times to get more out of someone. I enjoy the questioning nature. Just like when you pointed out how large the gap was in the dating process. I had a Physics teacher who used to work for NASA and about how they worked specifically as a carbon dater for years. Told us it was basically all a sham. Once you understand the true nature of the test, you understand why it can’t be relied upon. She said they used the gaps that fit what they wanted, what fit into the narrative, and that is always what is used – even if you get contradicting results in another test. She said the gaps when testing certain things could be thousands and thousands of years. I never forgot that. Thank you for continuing to put in the work and put out the content.

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