Hebrew Voices #26 – Easter Miracle of the Holy Fire
In this episode of Hebrew Voices, Easter Miracle of the Holy Fire, Nehemia Gordon speaks again with Dr. Richard Carrier, an historian specializing in ancient philosophy, religion and science. Gordon and Carrier begin by discussing the annual miracle claimed by the … Continue reading →
In this episode of Hebrew Voices, Easter Miracle of the Holy Fire, Nehemia Gordon speaks again with Dr. Richard Carrier, an historian specializing in ancient philosophy, religion and science. Gordon and Carrier begin by discussing the annual miracle claimed by the Greek Orthodox Church at the Church of the Holy Sepulchre but go on to compare notes on miracles and magic from ancient times through the 21st century.
With at times differing opinions, the two discuss: Bel and the Dragon, Alexander the Great and the horned snake, the Rood of Grace, the Second Temple miracles as described in the Babylonian Talmud, as well as the showdown between Elijah and the false prophets on Mount Carmel. Gordon and Carrier also respond to the writings of Maimonides, Herodotus, Lucian and Josephus—and their accounts or exposés of ancient scams that caused statues to move, sweat, bleed or illuminate—tricking people out of their cash or inspiring them to believe.
Gordon concludes this Hebrew Voices with prayer and encourages listeners not to allow anyone’s skepticism to shake their faith, but to rather establish their faith on a solid foundation of Yehovah and his Torah—which provides instruction for discerning the source and purpose of miracles.
https://youtu.be/zBtrz4VZXbg Transcript
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Thanks, this was really good, and investigative.
I remember in the Christian church, I believe back in the 80s, that they had speakers who supposedly dripped oil and dropped feathers, and some had gold specks. People followed after them. I suppose it was done to convince people were sent of God.
In the mid 90s I was helping with a group tour of Christian people. A couple of the ladies told me I had gold on my face. I thought for strange. When I got back to my apartment in Jerusalem I checked my face. It may have been the eyeshadow.
Wait, first the statement is made that the tomb is sealed by nonbelievers after making sure there is no fire source, then it is stated “that those looking in might see the light filling the sepulcher. But I thought it was sealed? Which is it?
2013 someone put a camera in a room, they said how they do it in that room then. They buy 2 candles 1 inch longer, one for backup. The chemicals are from Russia and secret in U S and Israel. Catherine the great discovered them with a lot of other stuff. Different colors different year.
Revelation 13:12-14
12 It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13 And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. 14 Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth.
Very insightful and prudently presented – Thank you both.
Nehemia, we are so proud of you for handling this subject with such wisdom, grace, sensitivity and honesty. You always kept us pointed in the right direction while wading through a murky swamp. I appreciate your ability to have these intelligent conversations with people who are limited to an intellectual view of life, but despite their expertise, your humility always outshines. Blessings.
What a wonderful prayer at the end. What a wonderful teaching. Thank you Nehemiah for all you do.
When I saw the words “Rood grace” I immediately thought about Michael who talks about grace. LOL
This was an interesting program and much needed. I, myself, had come out of New Age and white witchcraft in the 70s. Some friends told me about an astrology class and I went. The teacher unbeknownst to me was a Shaman. He said he was the reincarnation of St. Paul. His programming put us in altered states of consciousness. I even saw spirits in front of the blackboard. As a white witch I was required to stand naked in my home saying my mantras and calling upon spirits to do my bidding. But, I JUST COULDN’T do that!
In 1979 I heard the gospel for the first time (having grown up Catholic) and became a believer in Jesus; however, to make a long story short I cried out to the LORD God in 2005 and asked Him to show me where things went awry in the “church” because I was discouraged seeing the things I saw through the Nicolaitanes, thus I declared to the LORD that I was done with “church”!
And today I am eternally grateful to HIM for introducing me to my Hebrew heritage from my maternal grandparents, and for introducing me to the Feasts of Yehovah and His only-begotten Son, Yeshua.
Thank you Nehemia for these programs, for your books, and your faithfulness.
Thank you for this wonderful episode. Your prayer at the end was just beautiful. May we all be as bold as you in seeking out Yehovah.
I had a 24 hour candle burn for five days once …
Thank you Nehemia and Richard Carter for exposing the truth about the “holy light.”
YHVH has warned us about such deceivers in Deuteronomy 13
Shame on those for deceiving the people and seperating them from YHVH.
Thank you so much Nehemia, for such rounded information! I appreciate very much your carefulness and steadfast devotion to measure everything by the Torah of Yehovah!
And yes, adding a transcript of your sessions is a great tool for further and more in-depth study. Sometimes your zeal for the subject at hand drives you to go faster than I can keep up, and instead of rewinding all the time to replay, the transcript allows one just to read at their own pace and grasp all the wonderful nuggets of truth!
Thank you for the large amount of time you are devoting to the service of The Holy Blessed One!
Let the Blessings of Yehovah pour upon you like winter rains of Israel!
Finally, someone mentions Deuteronomy 13 – thank you Nehemia. Interesting that signs and wonders (or miraculous healings) can come from false prophets and dreamers of dreams. I believe Deuteronomy 13 should be a filter for any ‘new’ teaching. Todah raba.
In light of this awesome miracle, it seems suspect that Elijah would fear Jezebel. Thus the suspicion of olive oil on the altar & in the trench and perhaps a lite arrow. Elijah did lose his mantle. Perhaps, had he not run, Yehovah might have smote Jezebel with fire, also.
The written transcript is a welcome addition.
Skepticism was created in us for good reason. Good episode. Thanks.
Great talk. It’s definitely nice to have the transcript for parts where you’re not sure exactly what someone said, or you want to know how to spell the name of a source someone’s talking about for further research, or if you don’t exactly remember the details concerning a particular point and you want to review that part of the discussion without having to try to find it in the audio.
Great interview gents really educational and once again I learned something new. Thank you Dr. Carrier for accepting Nehemiah’s invite to speak and look forward to hearing more from you two in the future. I like the closing remarks Nehemia, spot on. Torah! Torah! Torah! No it doesnt have anything to do with the attack on Pearl Harbor. 😉
In my opinion this interview made apparent how many people throughout history have placed more importance and value on the miracle than that simple and valuable instruction for life collecting dust on their desk. I think if they read it they probably would not have been duped into spending thousands of dollars on a pilgrimage to go see Enrico the singing frog perform Hello Ma’ Baby.
I thank Yehovah for His wonderful truth and I thank you for the sincere expressions of love to Yehovah. The interview was very informative. Yet in all of this what touches me the most is your ending prayer to Yehovah, showing your deep love for Him in that you don’t want to be lead away from His Torah. From your heart to His.
Blessings brother.
Starla
I appreciated this interview. We should be able to learn from many different people. The tricksters are still alive and well in the modern TV Evangelists, and who knows what technology is available today to have the sky appear to be “green”; or monsters coming from space.Newest dangerous trickery, DNA changes, designer babies, GMO foods, UFO, giants on the earth, on and on. Best to heed the words of YeHoVah.
Love it, thanks gentlemen.
This was a really great discussion again. I do believe this is why Yehovah told us not to add or take away from his torah… Lots of not good stuff out there. Thanks Nehemia.
I like being able to read your sermons because with limited data and located where I can’t get wifi I can’t watch the videos ~ So this was nice!
Elijah’s fire came down from heaven, not from the altar:
1Kings 18:38 Then the fire of the LORD fell and consumed the burnt offering, the wood, the stones, and the dust, and even licked up the water that was in the trench.
altar… sorry
Disturbing when you think that Elijah is equally suspect in dowsing his alter before it ignites…..
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