Hebrew Voices #96 – Marriage, Illegitimate Children, and Smoking
In this episode of Hebrew Voices, Marriage, Illegitimate Children and Smoking, Nehemia Gordon tells the story of a young man who accidentally got married with a cookie, how the Biblical definition of an illegitimate child differs from the Christian one, … Continue reading →
In this episode of Hebrew Voices, Marriage, Illegitimate Children and Smoking, Nehemia Gordon tells the story of a young man who accidentally got married with a cookie, how the Biblical definition of an illegitimate child differs from the Christian one, and how cultural bias can blind us to the Torah definition of holiness. Lucrecia wrote: “I learned much about the subjects discussed. Thank you, Nehemia.”
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Podcast Version TranscriptHebrew Voices #96 - Marriage, Illegitimate Children, and Smoking
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Benjamin Netanyahu: Le ma’an Zion lo ekhesheh, u’l’ma’an Yerushalayim lo eshkot. (For Zion’s sake I will not be silent, and for Jerusalem’s sake I will not rest. Isaiah 62:1)
Michael: And this is a real heartfelt letter that comes from a woman. She says that her husband, David - we'll leave out their last names - they were married before Yehovah and Yeshua on April 2, 2016. "We had our Messianic teacher marry us. We had two witnesses. We all wrote in and signed in the King James version Bible for our marriage. We were going to do the state wedding in June, and all the churches around here said, ‘You're not married. You are a whore.’” This hurts more than ever, because my husband, who is a retired army veteran, died at age 46, five days after we were married.
I'm also now 26 weeks pregnant with this unborn soul. So, according to the church people, I'm a whore and my son is a bastard. Question, “Am I his wife before Yehovah?” And we have with us, ladies and gentlemen, Nehemia Gordon. Nehemia’s going to give us his perspective, a Jewish perspective, a Biblical perspective on this as well as I have. But I'm going to ask you your perspective, because I've asked you to be the guest on this.
Nehemia: That's a heart wrenching… I'm almost in tears. The woman, her husband died after five days of marriage and they're calling her a whore because she didn't get a piece of paper from the government? I mean, what are we even talking about?
Michael: This is a great example to a Jew of how Christians treat each other. I mean, this is the stuff I hate.
Nehemia: This is Christian love, how you treat a widow?
Michael: Yeah, that's how we treat widows in churchianity.
Nehemia: I'm so disgusted by that, you know. The US has a specific system where to get married you need a piece of paper from the government. But if you go back to England not that long ago, and even some states today in the US, if you live with a woman as your wife and you make it known to the community that she's your wife, you don't even have to have a ceremony in many US states.
And in English common law she is your wife. And if you look at Biblical law, it's basically the same thing. In the Biblical law the phrase is "to take a woman as your wife.” What that means is, you take her home, you live with her as your wife and you let the community know, “This is my wife.” At that point, for her to be single again she needs a piece of paper. She can't just say, “Well, he's not my husband anymore.” She needs a certificate of divorce in order to be no longer in that marriage. That's what Deuteronomy 24 is all about.
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I was grieved to read the horrible remarks made against this dear widow.
What we have here is the evil spirit of religion working with a spirit of condemnation. And probably many more.
These remarks against her were appalling. Shalom to her and her child.
Very enlightening teachings. I learned much about the subjects discussed. Thank you, Nehemia
The whole marriage license scam is just that, brought to you by foreign law and they are the 3rd party interest in your joint venture, that is how they see it and interpret it because it is about the bottom line. Registrations(regis) is foreign in nature to American Common Law. We, Americans, record/publish on the public record our actions and intent, not register which is giving away your interest in the matter to the black robed administrators of their courts. Licensing is asking for permission to do something that would be illegal in their warped system. Always remember that legal is not the same as lawful, and the LAW(land, air, water) always trumps legalism, albeit in the different jurisdictions.
As spoken by another Baptist Preacher:” Smoking won’t send one to hell , it simply makes you smell like you’ve been there. “
Was there ever any update from the widow how lost her husband? Was she able to get her husbands benefits for her and her son? So sad…
Hello. Which verse in Jeremiah says the residence of יהוה is now in us?
I think the smell is reminiscent of 11:00 AM burger king, whom always fire roasted, never fried burgers.
pot damages your brain cells. seen in people who use it and even end up with throat or other cancer forms.
I completely reject the idea that a couple must seek the permission of the State to marry. My son and his wife agreed, and did not apply for a Marriage License. They did have a big beautiful church wedding, officiated by a minister friend, but just not the “license”. However, due to the expected difficulties of conducting the business of life as an “unlicensed” couple, they filed an affidavit with the State indicating that they are married.
We live in Texas, where this is actually very easy. I don’t hold that performance of this step is required in order to be “legally married”, but it makes many things (inheritance, beneficiary status, spousal support if necessary, etc.) go a lot more smoothly later.
If you are interested, look on the Texas state web site (capitol . texas . gov), under “Statutes”. The document you need is FA.2.htm . It covers many aspects of marriage legalities. The relevant portion is:
FAMILY CODE
TITLE 1. THE MARRIAGE RELATIONSHIP
SUBTITLE A. MARRIAGE
CHAPTER 2. THE MARRIAGE RELATIONSHIP
SUBCHAPTER E. MARRIAGE WITHOUT FORMALITIES
and, of course,
2.401 PROOF OF INFORMAL MARRIAGE
Tattoos are non kosher and should not be glorified no matter what the subject matter is associated with.
If the officiating person is not licensed would the widow be able to get her late husband’s benefits?
Smoking any substance is unhealthy
I once knew a young Baptist couple years ago, who attended services faithfully for several years. The wife got pregnant, had a baby, that was sick at birth and died just a couple days later. While grieving at the baby’s funeral, their pastor approached them and informed them that because their baby had not been baptized, it went directly to hell! MANY of Christianity’s preachers seem to be literal MORONS. Shame on me. It’s not my place to judge.
The messianic leader was there, witnesses were there, they made a public commitment before Yehovah and everybody so I don’t see what the problem was. I think you hit the nail on the head when you said that those who make a big deal about the “law” being done away with are the most legalistic of all!
So being addicted to a substance is not an issue of holiness? I realize that Torah doesn’t specifically say some of this but putting things in our body or not is the point of Lev 11. What we put in it does indeed affect our holiness because as Jeremiah says, the residence of Yehovah is now in us. We are the temple. Would we light up as a priest in the temple?
For those readers here who are not familiar with the NT/Apostolic writings, the basis usually given for equating smoking with sin is a passage from I Corinthians ch 6, culminating with ch6,v19-20: “19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own? 20 For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body.”
The immediate context of these verses is sexual immorality, but the argument is generally extended to cover many forms of damage to one’s own body.
Yhwh enjoys a good smoke once in a while too… (sheep, goats, cows, pigeons… please don’t try it at home). For the rest of us, the choice of what to smoke usually dwells on either cannabis or tobacco. Of course cannabis is by far the healthier.
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