Prophet Pearls #17 – Yitro (Isaiah 6:1-7:6; 9:5-6)

Read Deut 4:2. That verse as read means the New Testament is false.

So called New Testament is false. Read Deut 4:2.

Is it possible in EX 33, Father God was referring to actually seeing His face in person vs seeing His face via the visions that He gave the prophets?

dare you to ask Yeshua Himself who He is, through prayers , of course..

This is 100% my own opinion, based on feeling, i cant prove this or anything, but i always kinda felt that God showed ezekiel more than others because God put him through more than others

“Almighty The God” (Father) and “Mighty God-Man” (Son)? Two-headed monster!

Then what does Yeshayahu 9:6 mean

Jesus never said any such thing. He was a righteous, Jewish preacher. The NT books are phony, written to support a pagan religion.

Total nonsense. Jesus was just a righteous Jewish preacher, wrongly executed because he was so popular. The NT books were written hundreds of years after his death, perverting Jesus’ ministry into an elaborate pagan religion which has misled millions away from the original Covenant. God has no son, but messengers as needed. And he stands by the original Covenant and will forgive the repentant; for example, the prodigal son.

Jesus was a righteous Jewish preacher, not the promised messiah, not begotten of God, not a willing human sacrifice. That’s pagan nonsense.

Of course, the promised messiah is born, he is a natural man who’s likely walking around right now but won’t be recognized until he is leading Israel and going about accomplishing what he’s been anointed to do. Watch Netanyahu, he’s of the Davidic line. I’m sure there are others but I don’t know of them at this time. But it certainly isn’t Jesus. Wrong lineage for one thing; and long dead for another. Never did anything prophesied for messiah.

Great study. Concerning the subject of Isaiah 9:6, I think one main point to take away from the passage is that the Messiah will be born. Yes born, which means He will be a human. Witnesses to this are in Deut 18:18 (The Prophet), Isa 11, and Isa 66:7 (a man child). We also see him returning with flames of fire in Isaiah 66:15. Therefore, it can be concluded that He comes twice. Also, that Him and His Father are one. Shalom

Wow!!! Thank you Nehemia. God the Father would call His Son, “Prince of Peace.” Fit’s with my understanding perfectly, because I believe in TWO divine beings – Father and Son. The second being begotten from out of the first. Also great stuff on seraphim – the fiery serpents.

There are also “fiery beings” mentioned in Ezekiel 1:13.

Gen1:26 And GOD, “ELOHIM” said:Let Us MAKE man in Our image, after Our LIKENESS and let them have dominion over all things. 27: So ELOHIM, CREATED man in His OWN IMAGE; In the Image of God “ JEHOSHUA, Created He, him.

(John’s) Bible translations misinterpret terms. It should be “respect” instead of “worship”.
These are completely different meanings. “Respect” is not a cult!
And in Luke the report is: “who disregards” and not “worships”

But here it should be: “Mighty God” (strong). Please do not confuse with the word “Almighty God” (the strongest)

Your translation of the Hebrew of Isaiah 9:6-7, which in Hebrew is 9:5-6. clears up this very problematic verse for me. Though raised in a Christian tradition, I have never accepted the doctrine of the “trinity”, but these verses were always brought as “proof” that the doctrine was in the Hebrew Scriptures and thus undeniable. The translation you give based on the grammar puts to rest that argument as well as the heretical doctrine. Thank you.

Amen

I do not believe that the first three names in Isa. 9:6[5] belong to God and the last belongs to the child. When we look at how the phrase וַיִּקְרָא שְׁמוֹ
“and he called his name” is used, the word(s) after it is the name/title(s) (see Ex 2:10). The “he” in “called” has to refer to God, whether or not some of the titles refer to him, since it is obvious from 9:7[6] that it is YHVH who will do this.
The Jewish commentator Ibn Ezra also believed that the four titles belonged to the child (he argues it’s Hezekiah)”According to some, these expressions are names of God, and the following שר שלום, the name of the child. I think that all these words are names of the child…”

Simply astonishing.

Please explain to me why in the examples given in Zechariah 14 and Genesis 18, the physical manifestations are referred to as God? He is obviously manifesting Himself in human form. I will tell you how He does it. He is a Spirit. He also has a person that remains in heaven, but His spirit can operate outside of heaven. His Spirit is omnipresent and can be everywhere at one time. His person operates through His Spirit, directing the Spirit’s operations.. We see this in Psalm 104:30 – “You (the person) send forth Your Spirit, they are created.” The person wills, the Spirit responds. Therefore, the representative of God is indwelt with God’s Holy Spirit and God’s person operates in the representative through His Spirit. This is why the representative can be referred to as God. God has operated this way only through the Messiah Jesus, and whose Spirit as a man is the Holy Spirit. God is never detached or separated from His own Spirit and so this is why the Messiah Jesus can be referred to as God. God was in Messiah reconciling the world to Himself (II Cor. 5:19.

Still not convinced.
Interaction through His representatives and messengers YES. Yehovah in the flesh NO.

What about Zechariah 14? Genesis 18? What Father prohibits is for Man to make a representative of God. We are prohibited form doing it, but it is obvious from the scriptures that it is okay when God permits Himself to be represented in human form in order to interact with His creation.

That argument is unconvincing. Yehovah strictly prohibits any physical form of Himself.

believe these verves r speaking of the creator, as nothing like this has occurred as of yet. He will sit on His throne and know one else will.

I would also like to address the concern that many have regarding the worship of a man as God. As I have mentioned, David is a similitude of the Messiah and he is worshipped with God and it is not idolatry. Likewise, if a person worships Jesus, he is worshipping God through Jesus because they are the same Spirit, Jesus is the Spirit of God manifested in human fleah. His soul is a distinct begotten entity from the Father, but His Spirit is God’s Spirit and this is what makes Jesus “God”. God basically duplicated Himslef in His image to represent Himself to mankind. This distinguishes the true Messiah, from the false one to come who is merely a man,

It is apparent that there is mutual agreement with the belief that Yehovah sends His messengers to represent Him in a variety of ways.

The disagreement arises with those who belief that a man can be worshiped as God and those who find that completely against the Torah and the Prophets. Even though both sides are looking at the same text.

May all those who read this discussion come to their own conclusion through prayerful searching and studying in the realm of history, language and context. And may Yehovah be glorified.

Shalom.

Shalom dear Nehemia,

Thanks so much for your teachings, that give me so much more insight !

I want to bring up one point concerning Exodus 19,19: (NKJV):
“And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long and waxed louder and louder, Moses spoke, and God answered him by a voice”…
When I look this up in hebrew וַיְהִי֙ ק֣וֹל הַשּׁוֹפָ֔ר הוֹלֵ֖ךְ וְחָזֵ֣ק, it reads literally translated something like “And when the voice of the Shofar walks, and very strong”….
Do you agree that “kol shofar holech” means or can mean “walking shofar voice” ?
If this is true, it would be a trong link to the garden of Eden, to Genesis 3,8, when Adam and his wive heard the walking voice of god…..when he came into the garden.

I would appreciate if you can give me an reply for this, since it meant much to me, when I heard about this probable connection to the garden of eden.

Go back and read the texts you just gave me. It says God told us not to make an image. But He can have a representative that He designates, that’s the difference.He does it. His image appeared to Abraham, and also if you look at Zechariah 14, when Jesus returns He is referred to as God. This is because God is in Him operating through His image just as He has always done from Eden to the Messiah Jesus.

“Then Yehovah spoke to you from the midst of the fire; you heard the sound of words, but you saw no form -only a voice. (Deut. 4)

“So watch yourselves carefully, since you did not see any form on the day Yehovah spoke to you at Horeb from the midst of the fire, so that you do not act corruptly and make a graven image for yourselves in the form of any figure, the likeness of male or female,”

Yehovah commanded us not to make any form that represents His presence, but only to obey His words… So why should He represent Himself in the form of a man? By taking the form of a man Yehovah is breaking His own commandment thus nullifying His Godhood.

You may not like it, you may not understand it, or even agree with it, but Yehovah will not change for anyone.

Jesus said, “I and My Father are One.” They are the same Spirit. Jesus is not a separate “god” He is the image of the Father, because God will not give His glory to another, so He gives His glory to the perfect image of Himself. That is the only way an invisible God can interact with mankind.
What God has designated to represent Him is thus acceptable for worship. David is used as a similitude for the Messiah Jesus in scripture and he is worshiped with God in I Chronicles 29:20 and it is not idolatry. Again, that is because he represents the Messiah Jesus.
All the scriptures have to be examined in order to interpret them properly and this is what I have done. I let them direct me, not the other way around.

Symptoms: Image of God
Jesus ate with Abraham
Jesus is incarnation of God
Jesus is on the wheel of Ezekiel
Jesus is face of our Heavenly Father
Jesus is throughout the scriptures

Diagnosis: “Eisegesis”
An interpretation of Scripture, that expresses the interpreter’s own ideas or bias rather than the true meaning of the text.

Treatment: Exodus 20:3
“You shall have no other gods (divine ones) before me (on my face.)”
(Torah Pearls #17 at 1:00 hour mark)

The letter of Matthew in chapter 28 verses 17-20, Messiah Yeshua speaks of all authority given to Him. Which has always reminded me of Isaiah chapter 9 verse 6.

As Jesus said, “He who has seen Me has seen the Father.” He is the image of God and we can see the Father in the face of His image. The Father wants us to know Him intimately more than what we can achieve on our own. When we receive Jesus, He implants His Holy Spirit into us and that is when we truly know God, when He is indwelling us.

Is it possible that “backside” in Shemot 24:10 means ‘We can see Him only after He has worked His wonders” We say now “I can see our Father’s working thru history and now we can more easily ‘see’ Him as we are living in times of His prophecy of bringing back Israel, and the language, etc. In other words we don’t need to ‘see’ His face to know Him.

Fire cleanses the righteous, but destroys the wicked. Satan cannot be cleansed by the fire because he is wicked. He has committed the unpardonable sin, meaning he had full knowledge of God but rejected Him, so there is no way that the devil can be saved and become the messiah. There is only one Messiah and that is the Lord Jesus, God’s image.

I would like to address the issue of who Isaiah saw on the throne. We know that God did not show His face to Moses, because no man can see His face and live. So whenever anyone sees God in the scriptures they are beholding His image, who Is Jesus. Jesus has always been God’s image, that’s how Abraham was able to have lunch with God in Genesis 18, and how God can return to rule and reign as a man in Zechariah 14. This is why Jesus said that anyone who has seen Him, has seen the Father. Jesus is also referred to as the “Angel of His presence.” Jesus is not an angel, but angels are used as representatives. We can see that in Revelation when Jesus sends His angel to represent Him to John. (Rev. 1:1). Jesus is the firstborn Son, because His soul/person was begotten or brought forth from God’s substance/Spirit prior to His incarnation. This is the orthodox doctrine of the church which has been eroded. In order to be able to interact with His people without frying them with His holiness, God would have to have a representative that was a duplicate of Himself in human form. Thus the “man” Ezekiel saw on the wheel was Jesus (Ezekiel 1:26-28). It’s an interesting study to see how Jesus has been manifested as God’s representative throughout the scriptures.

Are there any specific meanings to the phrases virgin of Israel and Holy one of Israel found in Jeremiah, Amos, and Isaiah in the Tanach.

When you speak of fire cleansing here’s a pot stirrer:
if Lucifer is in hell renamed ha satan, and fire not only destroys but also purifies and many will be” saved, as if by fire” ??
Then in my 81 year old mind one sees the possibility of ha satan being purified by same fire-“all souls are Mine” and “I, YEHOVAH, am not willing that ANY SOUL should perish”, is there any inkling that Lucifer could become the Messiah and be restored to the position he had, before losing it, that he, in his state before “iniquity” was found in him, be restored/redeemed and become the messiah?
Jes stirring?

Excellent!

thank you

from Wikipedia about Noetus:

” The Catholic Encyclopedia notes: “It is true that it is easy to suppose Tertullian and Hippolytus to have misrepresented the opinions of their opponents”.[2] ….

really? that’s it? hmmmm

And my father cried out his name until the Prince of peace, the governor of completion Brackets was born, was given). And so his name was declared until he came into existence by the power of Yehovah , And by his zeal. And he was recognised by the increase of his government, but his victory over the entire planet.

Thank you for the explanation about Isaiah chapter 9 versus five and six. The long construct chain as the subject of the verb makes perfect sense! It is also clear that big up Yehovah and his zeal to perform this! After so long a time of waiting, it is comforting to know that Yehovah has given us wise counsel and strong hope and faithful words regarding the Prince of peace!

With regard to the imagery, simile and metaphor describing Yehovah anthropomorphically it is clear that these are images and one portly movies demonstrating his dynamic power presence, But in no way defining him entirely! For Moshe made it clear that the experience of standing before a volcano in full eruption with a dark cloud but it only ascending for it but also descending upon it was the image or rather the movie that we are to carry before our eyes as a fear inspiring awesome event. And the movie of a dynamic cloud constantly appearing in forming again is the important fear inspiring movie that we are to have. So when we catch glimpses of what is shrouded by that cloud, We are to take his words and commands to heart to be careful because we did not see any form of anything that is within our normal experience within that cloud. The detailed description by Ezequiel is universally proclaimed as strange and psychedelic To have an anthropomorphic form gradually revealed to us throughout the Tanakh is significant, and only makes real sense when you take into account the birth of a human being called Yeshua . We can then relate this gradual revelation to the development of the father son metaphor which is used by those who are students of . We can then relate this gradual revelation to the development of the father son metaphor which is used by those who are students ofYeshua specifically by the grace of Yehovah . And it is done to make sense of the transformation which followers of Yeshua expect and proclaim. However, it would be a travesty to suggest that Yehovah is defined by this anthropomorphic imagery, or movie. It is clear that Yehovah as the father is way above all of this and that Yeshua as the Sun is way below the maintenance of his father.♥️♥️

Can’t the Creator allow himself to be seen at differing times if he decides to? and not at other times?

Is there a letter J in the Hebrew?

What an intro!

Whoohoo! Goosebump good! When the ‘Holy, Holy, Holy part came up and Keith gave his thoughts on why the word, Holy, Kadosh, was used 3 times… knowing the meaning of the Name, Yehovah… He Was, He Is, He Shall Be…
He Was….Holy, He Is…. Holy, He Shall Be…Holy! Whoohoo! Goose bumps! Thank you Keith for sharing your thoughts on that!

As Keith was speaking and Nehemia was joining in on how Isaiah and others wrote their own description of Yehovah… the word “perception” comes to mind… God has been teaching me a lot lately about perception… how my perception of something is going to be different than your perception because we come from different backgrounds, different viewpoints etc., yet there are times when similar backgrounds cause different viewpoints, perceptions….. for example… my sister and I were raised in the same environment, went through much of the same things… her perception of God is a dictator sitting up there watching our hardships and doing nothing about them… my perception of God is a Loving Father who allows bad things to happen because He doesn’t take anyone’s free will away, but He will give us the strength, courage and grace to get through it and find healing and peace.
Also… besides each person’s perception… each person has a vocabulary and interpretation of what they see…so they are describing what they see… that really can’t be described in human terms, using words to describe to the best of their limited ability.

In verse 8… the words, “Here I am, send me.” always calls to my memory of going to United Methodist Commissioning of the new graduating Pastors of Asbury Seminary and the song of that title is always sung… I could never finish singing it… because I could only cry at the joy for those whose hearts are about teaching about God’s Word… but now… the tears are partly about knowing that none of them really know Truth of Yehovah because it isn’t taught in the Seminaries..

I want to thank you both again for doing what you do to learn and grow in Yehovah’s Truth and sharing what you learn with those of us who are also searching, learning, growing in Yehovah’s Truth.

Blessings and Shalom,

Sheila J Price

The “he” of isaiah 9:6 is the same “he” of the previous verses identifying the Messiah, the same “he” whose shoulders would carry the government. Even Rambam referred to these four names as being given to the Messiah. But setting all commentary aside since it’s only man’s opinion, what is YHVH’s opinion? IOW, where else does the bible interpret the bible? Isaiah 11:2 would clarify who these titles are given to as well as Judges 13:18. How slow and foolish we are to not believe all that the prophets have written. If we’re waiting on a visitation, then what a waste of pen and paper and preservation.

Perhaps its not the parts of YHVH that is being emphasized but the fact that we cannot live by any interaction with YHVH. Where He is, His Torah is there. That Torah kills us because He said so if we break it. Therefore we cannot see (be presented to or interact with) God and live because any contact with the Creator means we have to deal with Him/His word.

Will you clarify how the structure of the sentence identifies the subject of the verb קרא (to call) please?

…since most translations consider the subject to be “the son”.

Still I’m not sure which one to believe regarding “the mithy God”

Hi Nehemiah,

I always enjoy your biblical insights. May HaShem bless your soul and mind as you continue seeking His revelation for you!

Regarding Isaiah 9:6, I see no consistency between the Septuagint, the Targum of Isaiah, and the Masoretic text. It’s curious also that the JPS translation of 1917 renders it like this:

“For a child is born unto us,
A son is given unto us;
And the government is upon his shoulder;
And his name is called
aPele-joez-el-gibbor-Abi-ad-sar-shalom (Wonderful in counsel is God, the Mighty, the Everlasting Father, the Ruler of peace).”

You know the JPS is based on the Masoretic texts.

It also intrigues me the fact that after the destruction of the 2nd temple there were many Jewish attempts to edit those texts in the Tanakh that made reference to the Messiah, altering in many cases their semantic as to remove any connexion to Jesus.

From the NT point of view, it is obvious that Jesus is not the Father, and that his ministry and mission was subject to His will. I absolutely reject how the Catholic Church portrayed him theologically. But that Jesus understood himself to be pre-existent, to have come out of the Father, and that from eternity he had always been connected to the Father as the living Word–the Menra–, is not difficult to appreciate in his teachings. Like the famous historian and Jewish scholar (non-believer in Jesus as Messiah) Daniel Boyarin infers in his book “The Jewish Gospels”: That many “believed that God had a divine deputy or emissary or even son, exalted above all the angels, who functioned as an intermediary between God and the world in creation, revelation, and redemption. Many Jews believed that redemption was going to be effected by a human being, an actual hidden scion of the house of David—an Anastasia—who at a certain point would take up the scepter and the sword, defeat Israel’s enemies, and return her to her former glory. Others believed that the redemption was going to be effected by that same second divine figure mentioned above and not a human being at all. And still others believed that these two were one and the same, that the Messiah of David would be the divine Redeemer.” He then quotes very antiques sources, way to many to quote here, but you can always check his book…

So, the idea of a divine Messiah was not develop by gentile Christians but was an integral concept to Jewish theology in Jesus days.

If we can ascribe any credibility to the Gospels, we must consciously accept that what made the Jesus’ case unique in the history of Israel and of the world, is the fact that his disciples claimed to have shared with him for 40 consecutive days after he resurrected. After that experience they became bold, joyful, determined, and governed by a single purpose: to proclaim Jesus’ life and teachings to the whole world. We either accept or reject Jesus’ disciples account of his resurrection. If we reject it, we must explain the power to perform extraordinary miracles, like resurrection of the dead, the healing of paralytic, etc. If we accept Jesus’ resurrection as a possibility, then why not accept his own testimony that he is the Messiah of Israel and of the world, and that his first mission was to reconcile humanity to God by atoning for our planet’s sin, and then sending his disciples to advance the spiritual principles of his kingdom prior to him coming to establish it physically?

Either Jesus was real or invented. He either resurrected or didn’t. And if he did, he most assuredly is the Son of God in a sense and dimension we are not yet able to grasp, and he was the Messiah predicted to first bring peace to the hearts of those who believe in his mission, and later everlasting peace to his world when he comes back a second time to renew the earth, eradicate the curse of sin and its effect from the earth, and install his kingdom after resurrecting the righteous ones of all generations.

Shalom to you!

Agree, a very powerful instrument working toward the fulfillment. Nehemia, a very powerful teaching on Isa 9:5 and 6. Thanks Brother.

Hi Nehemia, your insight on Isa 9:6 was fascinating and I wondered about the translation of “וַיִּקְרָ֨א שְׁמ֜וֹ” – and while it is certainly possible that שַׂר־שָׁלֽוֹם was the object, I also found other instances where the “normal” translation seems to be a possibility. What are your thoughts on the following examples? Gen 35:8, Ex 17:15 – there are other examples but it seems possible that the entire clause following וַיִּקְרָ֨א שְׁמ֜וֹ could be the object and hence the name. I’d love to hear your thoughts on this. Once again, thanks for a fascinating discussion.

Isaiah 9:5 is in past tense Vayikra “and he called”.

Nehemia, I’m confused. In the Hebrew, is Is. 9:5 expressed in the past tense, or the future? JPS has the fulfillment of Is. 9:6 in future tense, “…may be firmly established…shall bring this to pass.” Yet you translated the last part of 9:5 in past tense “…and the wonderful counsellor the great god the eternal Father called His name the Prince of Peace.” So it’s messianic either way, but referring to a future moshiach, or the one Christians believe has already come?

Wow. I’ll start with the seraphim first. The serpent on a stick has become today’s medical system, also translated as witchcraft and pharmakia.
The most righteous Hezekiah, King of Israel, destroyed the “bronze serpent” Mosheh made, because “the people were worshipping it.” Numbers 21:9 and 2nd Kings 18:4 And he was probably called most righteous because he was the only one who had the guts to do it.
The symbol of a serpent on a stick is a common logo of medicine to this day. It is painted on EMT’s clothing, and on the sides of ambulances, and on pharmacy signs and equipment.
In closing this topic of the serpent on the stick, or the bronze serpent, it is not always used for the good, so be aware.
Next, I want Nehemia to know how much I appreciate his Hebrew translations. Since age 4 I knew there was a Messiah, and there was also God his Father. I think it is idolatry to ignore the good news of the kingdom which is from the first in Genesis, and woven like a blue thread through the book of the Revelation, which is this: In the beginning YHWH Elohim created the heaven and the earth, and the seas, and the fountains of water. Fear Elohim for His judgment is eminent. (period) If you hear another good news, it is false. Use a search engine and type the words “heaven, earth, seas (or water) three words together or separate, and see how many times this good news is mentioned through the whole books. Pretty amazing!
Yahushua “my Messiah” never lifted himself as equal to YHWH his Father and our Father. YHWH esteems His son. Yahushua ALWAYS gave/gives esteem to YHWH our Father and The Creator, just as he showed John in the book of the Revelation. . If only Christian’s would hear his words to our Father in John Chapter 17, maybe they could grasp this gospel, then the world would be a lot better off, and people would stop calling themselves Elohim.
Love Prophet Pearls and all you guys do! Shalom

There is another one of these triplets in Jeremiah 7:4 – the temple of YHVH X3.

Nehemia, I figure if anyone knew the answer to this, or had any opinion, it might be you and since you referenced the Greek word “hagios” in this episode I thought I’d ask you here.

In addition to being translated as “holy” this Greek word is translated as “saint” 61 times. The New Testament author Paul was said to have invented approximately 20 Greek words to convey a Hebraic thought which had previously had no Greek equivalent. Hagios is said to be one of those. It is said to have came from the Hebrew word for feast, khag/חג. Hagios/saint was first meant to refer to a feast keeper. I even understand a popular online lexicon admitted to this etymological connection but has since wiped all information about this, and understandably so as it would weaken the arguement that the Torah was done away with by early christians.

Do you have any opinion, or direct evidence of this connection?

Thank you for providing these Prophet Pearls, and the translation that is very helpful, thank you much.

Margie.

One of the greatest truths to remember in the study of Holy Scripture is:
‘If it does not say it… do not add to it’.
Has not YHVH himself declared it.
(Proverbs 30:5-6)

“Every word of God is tried: He is a shield unto them that take refuge in him.”
“Don’t add anything to his words; or he will rebuke you, and you be found a liar.”

PRAISE YAHSHUA ALL,

THE REPLY DID NOT END UP IN THE RIGHT PLACE, BUT HERE WE GO AGAIN. BLESSED TRULY BLESSED.

SHALOM LOVE IN YAHSHUA.

PRAISE YAHSHUA ALL,

Not to be different but the ten men are the lost ten tribes of YISRAEL, THE YEHUDITE YAHSHUA, AS NONE WILL SET ANYTHING STRAIGHTER THAN HIM.

YESHUATI IS ONLY YAHSHUA FOR ME.

Nehemiah? An instrument yes, but not a fulfilment.

SHALOM LOVE IN YAHSHUA.

PRAISE YAHSHUA ALL,

BLESSED BLESSED.

PRAISE YAHSHUA ALL,

The Malach that appeared to Daniel, what did Daniel see? The two Malachim that the men of Sodom and Gamorah thought that they could know, what did they see? Did the Malachim not lead the family out, how was Lot pulled inside the house? Physically or not. Lot saw two men sittting in the town square or centre or Malachim. Did they not eat a meal that Avraham prepared, which contained milk and milk product and meat by the way.

Lastly who did the king of Babylon see in the furnace, and who did he describe him as. YAHSHUA IS DESCRIBED AS THE DEVAR OF YHWH, THEY ARE NOT SEPARATE. IN SHORT YOU WANT TO HEAR MY WORD OR WORDS, YOU NEED TO LISTEN TO ME, ELOHIM SPOKE THINGS INTO EXISTANCE, KEY WORD ELOHIM SPOKE. APART FROM MAN WHO HE FORMED/TOOK TIME AND CARE, OUT OF THE DUST, TOOK SOMETHING THAT WAS NEXT TO NOTHING AND FORMED HIS PRIZE CREATION INTO SOMETHING, EVEN AFTER HIS OWN IMAGE, AND FOR THE FIRST TIME i believe FACE TO FACE BREATHED RUACH CHAYIM/BREATH OF LIFE INTO HIS NOSTRILS/RELATIONSHIP. READ ALSO, WHICH WAS TOUCHED ON TODAY REVELATIONS 4:8, AND THEN READ WHAT YAHSHUA SAYS ABOUT HIMSELF IN REVELATIONS 1:8. READ REVELATIONS 1:5 AND THEN ACTS 20:28. READ COLOSIANS 1 AND 2, CONCLUDING WITH COLOSIANS 2:9, TITUS 2:13, 1TIMOTHY 3:16, AND WHICH WAS MENTIONED ABOVE YOCHANAN 14, WE CAN GO ON AND ON.

TO SAY ELOHIM CANNOT, APART FROM LIE STEAL, CHEAT, MURDER ETC, WOULD BE A BOLD STATEMENT AND EVEN QUESTION IF ELOHIM IS ELOHIM. THE LIMITATION ARE WITHIN US NOT ELOHIM.

LAST ONE SORRY i LIED, HE THE MALACH THAT LED AND WAS WITH YISRAEL IN THE WILDERNESS. IF YOU READ THE TORAH PORTIONS YOU WILL SEE THAT IT IS IN FACT YHWH WHO LED YISRAEL AND WAS WITH THEM. BOTH AT TIMES AREVREFERENCED IN THE SAME MANNER, IT IS ALSO NOTE WORTHY THAT WE HAVE A BODY, YHWH ALSO APPEARED TO AVRAHAM IN BODILY FORM WHO EVEN ATE A MEAL AND DRANK.

SHALOM LOVE IN YAHSHUA.

I see something different than seeing Yeshua. I did a study on the Nature of Yahovah, man and the Holy Spirit. We need to really study this out first before we say this was Yeshua since he was a man. I know Yehovah can not lie and Yeshua was not a sinner. Please study the Nature of God (Yehovah) then Man. I believe he Jewish people have it wrong as well on one subject…immortality..

Even as a gentile who has joined himself to YHVH, To minister to Him, and to love the name of YHVH, To be His servant and keep from profaning the sabbath and hold fast His covenant –
There remained a concern that I would be as the foreigners who were resettled in Samaria during the time of King Hosea who “did not know the manner of the God of the land” hence bringing judgement on their head.

But the Holy One of Israel has sent a teaching priest named Nehemia Gordon who loves truth and peace to dwell among the gentiles, to teach us the “manner of the God of the land” and how we should fear his name.

Let us take a firm hold of Nehemiah’s “garment” and say “We will go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.”

I found that whenever vayiqra sh’mo is written in this form in the Tanak (as well as in all cases of vayiqra et sh’mo), what immediately follows is always the name of the recipient (child) and never the name of the subject. There are no exceptions. Gen 25:25-26 is the first identical usage. Should Isaiah 9 be the sole exception?

So many comments, be encouraged, encouraged, encouraged!
NG your knowledge of the language and text always blows me away! Praying for you during the Abib search and the rest of these recordings!

Thank you never seems to really cover the joy I recieve from listening to you!
Please never stop!

I was just thinking out loud as to how some prophets could see Yehovah and others merely could see his back. Almost like he has different forms in which some are able see his Glory. Is the theme in Zachariah 3 a changing in Priesthood or a declaration of Government over all of Yehovahs duty’s?Is this as a king or as a priest?There are only two priesthoods ever talked about in the Tanakh.The Melchizadek order and the Aaronic order. There is only one King and priest who are one and the same mentioned in the Tanakh.

Genesis 14:18-20
18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; now he was a priest of God Most High. 19 He blessed him and said,
“Blessed be Abram of God Most High,
Possessor of heaven and earth;
20 And blessed be God Most High,
Who has delivered your enemies into your hand.”
He gave him a tenth of all.

melchi meaning righteous and zedek meaning king and also called king of salem meaning peace.
so his title would be king of righteousness and king of peace whom was also a priest.

so the problem exists why would he bless himself in verse 20?Is he somehow recognizing his two forms?This is the same problem as how do the prophets see him and then are not aloud to see him. I again do not claim any of this to be solid but an interesting topic of discussion. Some of these notes i read from a study.

. We read that Yehovah spoke to Moses face to face in Exodus 33

 11 (Yehovah)The LORD would speak to Moses face to face, as a man speaks with his friend. Then Moses would return to the camp, but his young aide Joshua son of Nun did not leave the tent.
But just eight verses later we see that Moses was not allowed to see the fullness of Yehovah.
Exodus 33:19
And (Yehovah) the LORD said, “I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, (Yehovah) the LORD, in your presence. I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 20 But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.”
So just eight verse before He said He spoke to Moses face to face, but now He’s saying He’s not? Is this a contradiction. Not at all. Verse 19 shows that Moses was not allowed to see the fullness of God, even though he spoke with Him “face to face”. So though Moses spoke to Him face to face in some aspect of Yehovah, it obviously wasn’t in His fullness.
But He also revealed Himself as a man to Jacob who wrestled with him. Not only did Jacob not bow down to him, he wrestled Him.
Genesis 32:28-30
Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with men and have overcome.” 29 Jacob said, “Please tell me your name.” But he replied, “Why do you ask my name?” Then he blessed him there. 30 So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.”
It’s obvious that he has revealed aspects of Himself not always in his fullness and we also see him in the Garden of Eden taking on the role of a priest.
Genesis 3:21
The (Yehovah) LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them.
The garments of skin could have only derived from the fact that an animal had to die. The garments of skin came from the sacrifices for their sin. We know there is no forgiveness
of sins without the blood being shed for that sin.
It would seem that Yehovah did perform priestly duties out of grace and love, for Adam and Eve. I am of course unsure of these conclusions and can’t take credit for all of it as some of these ideas have been shared with me. Now wether it is Melchizadek, it at least raises eyebrows to know he is king of righteousness and peace according to his Title.

Okay. I was referring to your reply to Rich Pogin and Moises Grijalva above. Your reply seemed to be indirectly answering “Yes” to Mr. Grijalva’s question. Your reply is now gone, however.

Thank you, by the way, for taking the time to read and respond to these comments.

Shavua tov, Nehemia.

Not strange at all. ET and prepositions tend to be dropped in poetry. The style of most prophecies is poetic. I’m not talking about the content being poetry, but the style of the language, which is very distinct in Hebrew.

Nehemia, I found your reading of the Is 9:5,6/6,7 passage very interesting. I always appreciate your straightforward approach to Hebrew grammar. I am surprised in this passage, as confusing as it can be with the list of names/titles, that there is no “et” to clarify the meaning. Do you think that (missing “et”) odd?

I am looking forward to next week’s portion. Thank you for doing this.

I think we’re talking about different things. My understanding is that Malchizedek was a Jebusite king who was a Priest to Yehovah the Most High God Creator of Heaven and Earth.

Nehemia, are you saying that Melchisadek is/was the same as Yehovah? It seemed like that was what your reply meant, but I wasn’t sure.

then the question is: Who is the King of Righteousness?

What a joy it was to consider Isaiah’s [Yesaiyahu’s] heavenly encounter that included some visibility our thrice-holy El. Intriguing to me was how Keith mentioned some “other place” where the 3X-holy is mentioned, causing the Hebrew scholar to search and find that location in the writing of the Yochanan’s [John’s] revelation of an Hebrew…[keep reading]. If it weren’t for chapter divisions (made by scribes), there would be an instant discovery in the following verses in that Hebrew author’s Heavenly revelation [vision] of Someone who answers the almah and echad questions, thus answering the Who of Isaiah 9:6-7. Fascinating to me is Nehemia’s scholarly rendering of verse 6 [in English], aligning the Hebrew grammar in such a way to make name of the Son to be born unto us to be, Prince of Peace, and those titles preceding it describing YeHoVaH. A true pearl indeed! Yet, our Hebrew University scholar missed the use of this scripture in what he calls “[Keith’s] book.” True: There is no verbatim verse of that passage by the Hebrew writers of the Brit Chadasha, but that would be too elementary. Consider another Jewish Hebrew author, Luke, in his offering found in Luke 2:11.

Therefore, all contemporaneous critiques of the Hellenized ‘Christ’, and the associated ‘Christendom’ (as called for as they are) seemingly detract from the validity of the Hebrew continuity within the Brit Chadasha when compared to the Tahnak. Don’t forget that those writings come from Jewish Hebrews, who didn’t have clouds in the way [almah, echad] when looking to Heaven for the One [to come, or…] on the throne. Look again in those Heavenly visions given in YAH’s word; praying for the One to come very well could be seen [Revelation 4:8 – 5: 14]. Amidst those spectacularly impressive Seraphim–WOW!!!–there can be seen the true Hebrew [Davidic] Root we all desire. In love: Look again, and…keep reading.

Isaiah 9:6 (5) Septuagint

ὅτι παιδίον ἐγεννήθη ἡμῖν υἱὸς καὶ ἐδόθη ἡμῖν οὗ ἡ ἀρχὴ ἐγενήθη ἐπὶ τοῦ ὤμου αὐτοῦ καὶ καλεῖται τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ μεγάλης βουλῆς ἄγγελος ἐγὼ γὰρ ἄξω εἰρήνην ἐπὶ τοὺς ἄρχοντας εἰρήνην καὶ ὑγίειαν αὐτῷ

For a child was born to us and a son was given to us – whose rule was made on his shoulders; and his name is called “Messenger of great counsel,” for I will bring peace to the princes, peace and well-being to him.

Could it be possible that jacob seeing God face to face be Melchizadek like his Grandfather did? Mechizadek means King of Righteousness.

I see a lot of correlation between this Prophet pearl and Zachariah 3
see if you guys agree?
Isaiah 6:6
Then one of the seraphim flew to me with a burning coal in his hand, which he had taken from the altar with tongs.
Zechariah 3:2
The Lord said to Satan, “The Lord rebuke you, Satan! Indeed, the Lord who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you! Is this not a brand plucked from the fire?

Isaiah 6:7
7 He touched my mouth with it and said, “Behold, this has touched your lips; and your iniquity is taken away and your sin is forgiven.
Zechariah 3:4
He spoke and said to those who were standing before him, saying, “Remove the filthy garments from him.” Again he said to him, “See, I have taken your iniquity away from you and will clothe you with festal robes.”

Isaiah 9:6
For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us;
And the GOVERNMENT will rest on His shoulders;
And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
Zechariah 3:7
“Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘If you will walk in My ways and if you will perform My service, then you will also GOVERN My house and also have charge of My courts, and I will grant you free access among these who are standing here.

Some comments to consider, just thoughts, nothing solid, but plenty of questions hopefully nehemiah and Keith read this.

Isaiah 6:5 mentions that Isaiah sees the King Yehovah
Could this be The father in Melchizadek form as we know Abraham paid Tithe and talked with Melchizadek.
Could Governing my house, my service my courts to me would be the changing of the priesthood in Melchizadek order to Joshua (high priest/Messiah)?

Is The brand Messiah/high priest?
Is the burning coal that takes iniquity away and covers Isaiah’s sin be Yehovah/Melchizadek?

Psalm 104:4
He makes winds his messengers, flames of fire his servants.

Hebrews 1:7And of the angels He says, “WHO MAKES HIS ANGELS WINDS, AND HIS MINISTERS A FLAME OF FIRE.”

Great revelation from Isaiah 9:6! I was just talking today with a group who consider Jesus to be the Father. This idea has been around a long time and was actually considered a false teaching in the early Christian church (see Sabellianism , Patripassionism, and the heresy of the Noetians). The English mis-translation of Isaiah 9:6 is often one of the foundational verses for this false teaching. Your translation (which also agrees with the Complete Jewish Bible) actually supports early Christian church teaching that the Yeshua was not the eternal Father.

I don’t have a problem with a flying serpent (seraph). There are thousands of species and even dinosaurs that are now extinct but lived with humans from the beginning. 😉

Thank you, thank you, thank you! For shedding a bright light on IS 9:5,6 (6,7) I have always had a problem understanding those titles applied to Yeshua. Now I see what it really is saying and it finally makes perfect sense!!!
May Yehova greatly bless you for the restoration of truth that you are sharing with us.

Isaiah was in a vision. If he had really been there, seeing God, he would have been dead.

Great effort Nehemiah in setting straight the mistranslations and misconceptions.

Listened to this today, and really enjoyed it, as always. I had a couple to comments to toss into the conversation. Both of you are so brilliant, but bear with me.
Re: Isaiah saw the Lord sitting on the throne, and the train of His robe filled the temple/house. You commented on the dilemma of “seeing the Lord” and living. Jacob in wrestled with a Man (capital M in NKJV) but says in Genesis 32:30 says he has “seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” If he wrestled all night with a Man who touched his hip and altered it, and had the authority to give him a new name, and Jacob says he saw God face to face, then I believe this is referring to Yeshua the Messiah in a pre-incarnate appearance.

Moses in the Exodus conversation you brought up sees God’s back. God told Moses that His glory will pass by. When Moses sees His back, I think he was seeing God’s latter glory, which would be looking back through Messiah, the mediator between God and man who alone is the one capable of taking away our sin. God is outside of time, so He could as easily show Moses a view of Him looking through Messiah at God rather than looking at God in looking forward to Messiah coming.

Re: the name of the Child, Nehemiah said the New Testament does not make the claim that Yeshua is Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. (5 names in NKJV, Keith). While not directly saying these same words, Jesus says in John 14:7, 9, & 11 that if you have seen Jesus, you have seen the Father. Holy Spirit is called our Counselor elsewhere, and Jesus promised to send Holy Spirit to His followers. Also, John 14:27 records Jesus giving us His peace. He leaves it with us and He gives it to us, not as the world gives which to me means not the same peace that I could say to you as human to human. Paul claims that Yeshua is the image of the invisible God and the Creator in Colossians 1. Also, Ephesians 2:14 says that Yeshua is our peace. These seem to me to be New Testament examples of where each of the names (for Keith’s counting: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, and Prince of Peace) apply to Yeshua.

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