Hebrew Voices #36 – The Name and New Discoveries
The Name and New Discoveries is an exciting interview I had with a fellow alumnus of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. I shared some new discoveries about the pronunciation of God’s holy Name, talked about the “Yehu’ah” theory, and considered … Continue reading →
The Name and New Discoveries is an exciting interview I had with a fellow alumnus of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. I shared some new discoveries about the pronunciation of God's holy Name, talked about the "Yehu'ah" theory, and considered whether the English name "Jesus" has any connection to the Greek deity "Zeus". Join me for this raw conversation with Doug Hamp of The Awakening Report. I look forward to reading your comments
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Hebrew Voices #36 - The Name and New Discoveries
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Benjamin Netanyahu: Lema’an Zion lo ekhesheh, u’l’ma’an Yerushalayim lo eshkot. (For Zion’s sake I will not be silent, and for Jerusalem’s sake I will not rest. Isaiah 62:1)
Nehemia: Shalom, this is Nehemia Gordon with Hebrew Voices. This week I want to share with you a raw, unscripted interview I did with Doug Hamp. He invited me to come on his program to talk about the name of God. We ended up having a great conversation on a wide variety of topics. Here’s my discussion with Doug Hamp.
Doug: Hello, welcome to the Awakening Report. I’m your host, Doug Hamp. We have a special guest today, Nehemia Gordon. He is going to share with us his perspective on the name of God. I’m very excited to have him. He is a fellow graduate of the Hebrew University, and I think he’s probably quite a bit smarter than me. [laughing] He holds a master’s degree in Biblical Studies and a bachelor’s degree in Archaeology from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. That’s also where I went. That was pretty cool to discover that.
He’s worked as a translator on the Dead Sea Scrolls, and as a researcher deciphering ancient Hebrew manuscripts. He’s a prominent figure in the Karaite Jewish community. Gordon has written two popular books on the Hebrew origins of Christianity and is active in inter-faith dialogue. He speaks at synagogues and churches around the world and leads groups of pilgrims and visitors on tours of biblical sites. Welcome with me, Nehemia Gordon.
Nehemia: Shalom, it’s great to be here.
Doug: Yeah, it’s really awesome. It’s good to have a fellow alumnus from the Hebrew University. That’s pretty cool. Now, you went there, you studied in the Hebrew Faculty. I studied at the Overseas…
Nehemia: I found out we took the same course with Chanan Eshel, who was one of the most brilliant scholars I’ve ever encountered in my life – historical, geography and the Land of Israel, or something like that, it was called. It was one of the most interesting classes I ever took.
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Amun Re is the name of the egyptian sun god, not amen ra, also in hebrew its Ahmein, with the ay sound not ehn sound
Hello Camo,
Where in the scripture do you find any teaching that the redemption of man requires more than one person of God, or that the God of Moses is not really one but in fact more than one, or that Jesus and his apostles ever claimed that Jesus was personally God in the way that the Father is God?
I have searched and researched the full sweep of the scriptures, and I have found nothing supportive of any of these claims, especially when the scriptures are read through an ancient Hebraic lens rather than a western goyish worldview.
I found that all the Incarnation and Trinity supporters have are AD 381 Greek, neoplatonic speculations that, through church politics, became the official teaching (…that you must accept, or else!)… and that’s hardly a sound basis for a doctrine of scripture, don’t you agree?
In John 1:1, we see the new creation in Christ, the second Moses. Jesus is called “the word” in John 1:1b, using the same Greek figure of speech the Jewish Septuagint translators used to describe Moses (who himself is typological of the second Moses of Deuteronomy 18). John 1 is not about the Genesis 1 creation, but uses a few “new creation” parallels to assert that Just as God created everything and through Moses God created national Israel, so through the Jesus (the second Moses) God is creating a new people, as well as a restored heaven and earth upon which he will establish the “new” eternal kingdom of God that is yet to come.
Only one God in John, and only one true, fully created human promised messiah like Adam (a first man) and Moses (a savior and agent of a new creation for the people of God); this messiah has a God and is the express image of his God, and both of these facts mean that he himself is not personally his God… yes?
Shalom y’all!!
The elusive mystery verse in John that came to my mind while listening to this great discussion on The Beautiful Name of YeHoVáH is John 17:6 where Yehoshua says in prayer to Our Father (paraphrasing) that He revealed His Name to the ones that were given to Him.
Yehoshua doubles down later in verse 26 that He revealed The Name of the Father and promised that He will reveal it, which seems like what is happening in this generation!!
The end, goal and purpose is that we may be one אחד in love אהבה !!
יהוה טוב
הללו יה
I follow to gordon and I always use that name of yehowah iam from India in telugu bible wrote that name. Gordon sir thanks for researching living Israel EL EL HASHEM
YEHOWAH
Thank you
I have another question, concerning ‘amen’. So I noticed you say it often while teaching, but I was told it comes from ‘amen rah’, from when the Israelites were in Egypt, but in other places it is spelled different and I’ve read that it is a hebrew word meaning ‘so be it’. We stopped saying it in prayer a few years ago choosing to either say, so be it or similar. What do you know about this? What are your opinions regarding the history and usage? Thank you,
Yehovah Elohim = The TWO ELOH of John 1:1—-As The Creator DUO!
The Reconstruct of 3999-4000AM resulted in the Aliases/Alter Egos of EL The Father & EL The Son / Yeshuah of Nazareth / Yeshuah Ha Meshiach…….Necessary in order to redeem Mankind.
isaias 53
I think my mistake might have been thinking the cholam is over the vav rather than the hey. With the cholam over the hey the pronunciation would be Ye-Ho-VaH or Yehovah. Is that right?
Please understand that I am new learner of ancient Hebrew. Doesn’t a “cholam vav” not pronounce the vav? Qamets on the “cholam vav” doesn’t seem usual to me as I read the Mikra. I am not familiar with any examples of this. Thanks for your help in advance. This study seemed to be related to this but I didn’t hear any specific discussion of Yehō’ah. Shalom
Exactly the same verse I think Nehemia is referring to. Not in chapter 10 though. John 17:26
It is also stated: “My people know Me by My name.”
if only, most all of us and especially those of us with extra letters behind our names, seems like it takes pounds of evidence to change an ounce of our presumptive beliefs,
yosef is hebrew from our ancestor yosef… but why do the arabs claim yusef which to me is an arabised form of yosef…same person? or who is yusef?
I enjoy your website, you have solved a great mystery in a lot of people’s belief system and that’s the name of God
Hi Paul,
Nehemia talks about that in Hebrew Voices “A Disastrous Misunderstanding of the Name Yehovah”
https://www.nehemiaswall.com/disastrous-misunderstanding-yehovah”
Jerusalem Devorah
The verse that you need is John 17:26 “And I have made your Name known to them…”
The ancient Hebrew Mathew 28:9 states, Yeshua met them and said ” Yehovah saves you.”
Maybe they just didn’t actually want to completely suppress it while looking as thought they did?
Sharing responsibility for conceivably losing something like how to speak God’s name to history could weigh on the conscience of a scribe no doubt.
We are so blessed in these days to have such in-depth teaching as yours – thank you Nehemia! I would like more information on the vowel pointings. How are they pronounced? Every time I heard you pronounce YHVH’s name it was so fast that I couldn’t hear what the second vowel sound was. Yehovah, Yahovah, and Y’hovah are the 3 possibilities I came up with. Would you please clarify s-l-o-w-l-y how you pronounce the most important name in the world. Thanks and many blessings from Australia.
What about Psalm 2?
So I loved the podcast.
A couple of points that were missed in regards to how many people mispronounce the name of God. First is that many pronounce God’s name as “Yahuah” and Y’shuah of Nazareth as “Yahshuah” Because they incorrectly assume (or were taught) that Yah (the poetic form of God’s name) is simply a shortened version of YAHuah.
Second is that there are people that believe that the pronunciation of Yahuah or Yehuah are derived from the misunderstanding that a name like Yeshiyahu gets the “yahu” from Yahuah. I even heard that this understanding was first put forth by one of the elders, a woman from a large messianic community in Utah (whose name escapes me). She claimed that this was revealed to her in a dream.
Nehemia, I am still sad for your decision to retire from orchestrating your aviv search and sending out aviv and new moon info, but of course, Yah gives, and he takes away. I hope he will provide a replacement of your caliber, or perhaps even more.
In spite of our occasional disagreements, I greatly appreciate your unique perspective on scripture and history.
Since the beginning of my walk in torath yhwh some 40 years ago; I was yearning for the jewish community that would be true to the mosaic imperative; and rejoice to have made your and the karaite community’s acquaintance since your visit to Harrisburg PA with M Rood, 2004 or 5.
Shalom and Yah bless, and yes, you are still on my (admittedly very small) donation list!
I know the feeling :~}
Humility is what I love the most about Nehemia. He is one of a kind. Blessings.
Hi Kitty, Yehovah says about Solomon that he chooses him as His “son” and He will be Solomon’s “Father”. To be God’s son in this Solomonic sense is to be the chosen Messiah (anointed) King of Israel! May God’s chosen son, the Messiah King of Israel, come soon to defeat the enemies of Israel, gather in the Exiles, and bring peace to the world!
Nehemia, did I hear you say that the promised end-time moshiach would be the son of God? I thought that son-of-god theory was a later elaboration on the Christian claim that Jesus was moshiach, died to pay for the sins of others, would return to establish righteousness on earth, etc etc. The whole pagan theory of vicarious atonement which is totally contrary to TANACH. I see nothing in TANACH which indicates that YHVH Almighty God has, had, or needs any son, that is, any single person infused with deity. To the contrary, The Most High declares through Jeremiah (31:9) “For I am ever a father to Israel, Ephraim is My first born.”
And further to the discussion about the name and the removal of the curse of not pronouncing the name, see Zech 13:9 “…they will invoke Me by name….” and at Zech 14:3 “then YHVH will come forth and make war on those nations….” I put those prophecies together to mean that WHEN Israel calls on YHVH by name, that at that time He will fight for Israel. Even further, by extension of ancient prophecy to these end times in which we are living, if the USA is Ephraim, which I pray is the case, I pray that we will be the instrument of God’s wrath on the enemies of Israel.
Thank you. I am humbled, yet again.
Thomas, I don’t enjoy reading “comments”, and rarely ever do, but I was heartened when yours caught my eye. Yours is, no doubt, the wisest comment post I can remember ever seeing and I agree with you 100%. Blessings
Enjoyed listening very much to this Interview! Did I understand correctly that there were two places where the full name of YEHOVAH was written with the vowels or was it 11? However, can you tell me the references where the name was written with the vowels by the writers? THANKS SO MUCH!!! I look forward to hearing more of your research.
YOsef. YUsuf. IzA-yah. … 🙂 … MOrI-yah. ZI-yahn. Yahrushalem. … YA HOvah ! ZephanI-yah 3:8 and 9.
Deut 12:29-32
I am not aware of overlaps, but it is possible.
Shalom and boker tov from my side of the world. I went to your page to get this but I need to log in. I am signed up with my email address but where do I get the password? Thanks.
Thank you brother Nehemia for all you do! I thank YHVH for the information He has shown us through you.Blessings to you!
Signing on as a grateful “sacred namer”, at least give us credit for trying to get to the bottom of Yah’s pronunciation as early as the 1940’s. We are (at the very least) the pioneers of this movement. I am still doubtful that 300 years of masoretes could have made ANY errors of leaving in the text a name they felt important to hide. Ten generations of professional scribes missing their goal of hiding the true pronunciation? Too far fetched for me.
john 17:26
Maybe I should explain the dots, “The high priest on the day of Atonement declared the sins of Israel to Jehovah asking for forgiveness for the nation.
The Son of Jehovah has been doing the same and is doing away with Satan, the enemy of his Father.
The dividing line between the people and the Eternal Father , caused by the temptation in the garden of Eden, has been broken and the healing process for the children of Jehovah can begin, which would include the first children Adam and Eve and their descendants. ( if Israel can be forgiven, so can Adam and Eve )
The purpose for mankind can once more reach its destination back to the Garden of Eden as of being in reach of the Tree of Life.
Has God done away with his nation Israel? As Paul has written in..
Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, [of] the tribe of Benjamin.
The name Jehovah has been , and is being revealed to and for mankind as a promise of “eternal life” through the Son , back to the Eternal Father, creating a family relationship, imho.
i love the interview its hard when one is looking for truth in the word and have to go through all these different interpretation of the name and calendar. but my question is if there is no J in the Hebrew alphabet could Jesus be the right translation of the name. and do you think by just addressing the Most High by YAH is ok.
Dear Nehemia, I really appreciate your work and I consider you a great scholar. However, with all respect required, I would like to discuss your interpretation of Pslam 44.
You state that “EVEN if we would have forgotten your name and call upon a pagan name, you would still mercifully accept us because you know our hearts anyways”.
When reading Psalm 44 (as you encouraged us to do), there came a different interpretation to my mind: IF we would have forgotten your name and call upon a pagan name, you would find out for sure, because you even know the secrets of our hearts.
Unfortunately, I don´t speak Hebrew (yet). I am reading an exact German translation of the Masoretic text. So maybe I got it wrong …
However, there might be a reference that supports my reasoning: Proverbs 16: 1-2 : Humans usually deem their deeds as correct, but YHVH evaluates their true motivation.
In general, I think the correct pronunciation of the holy name is of very great importance: Words actually do have power, but it´s not the word by itself that matters. It´s the underlying sound-wave and the corresponding interaction (resonance) with the universe. So its the frequency and vibration of uttering the name YHVH that holds the power! Or as Nicola Tesla said: “If you want to understand the universe, you need to think of energy, frequency and vibration”. Makes sense if you compare it to Genesis (and God SAID … ). These are the fundamental building blocks that are governed by the principles of SACRED GEOMETRY, which in turn was designed through wisdom/ Sophia (the first thing of YHVH´s creation, cf. Proverbs 8 (esp. 22-31)) . This is the true essence of God, an all-encompassing power that binds the universe together; ALL IS ONE, AND ONE IS ALL. We are all connected to everything, comparable to the concept of the Force in Star Wars movies (“I am one with the Force. The Force is with me”). Eventually, with this in mind, the meaning of YHVH (is, was, will be) makes perfect sense, as it emphasizes YHVH´s all-encompassing, omnipresent power and presence.
All the best to all of you.
Nehemia, I have a question about the six manuscripts where the vowel markings have been discovered for YHVH. Has there been any overlap of the locations between the manuscripts or have they all been in different locations?
Hi, maybe this verse is interesting to you:
Proverbs 16: 2 : Humans usually deem their deeds as correct or appropriate. However, YHVH will judge us in the end.
Therefore, it is important to achieve a wise heart. How? Job 28:28: Wisdom is to fear YHVH (i.e. be humble with regard to His perfect concept of creation and hence obey his instruction towards a righteous life, the Torah), and insight is to avoid evil things. That´s basically all that YHVH asks from us in order to achieve higher consciousness. But it must stem from a pure heart and must be genuinely desired from your soul (Deut. 6: 4-6). Important reference to this: Isiah 29: 13-14: Although being very conservative and seemingly keeping the Torah, ancient and modern day Jews fail to do all this from their heart. It´s tradition, constructed by the Rabis and Pharisees, that perverts the true essence of the Torah – the instruction from YHVH to us humans as a key to a righteous (perfect) life. Isiah 58 is another very interesting reference to this context. Shabbat Shalom. Love, Peace and Harmony – from a pure heart 😉
The more I watch and listen to these videos, the more silent I am becoming. Now, if I could only go back in time and erase all those ” listen to me, I know the Bible” chats where I was polishing my ignorance.
Phenomenal, Nehemia! Probably the best discussion on His name that I’ve heard yet.
Nicely done discussion / interview!
If you are looking for a particular spot, I have a summary on the PureBible forum.
Nehemia Gordon and Douglas Hamp
Nehemia Gordon: How to Pronounce YHWH in Hebrew The Awakening Report
https://www.facebook.com/groups/purebible/permalink/1245007722257781/
Hopefully, you will follow up with Douglas with a session along the line of “Have you been Praying to Jupiter”?
And then I will have a question or two then about the Jove==Yahweh understanding.
Thanks!
Hmm,
Jn 17:6 “I have manifested thy name” unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
In my view , this establishes a much bigger understanding of the name of the Father, in a much more intimate way..as it speaks about the “Eternal”
Jn 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
The Eternal Father gives eternal life, through the Son who acts as the in between, just like the High Priest acted as the in between, between Jehovah and the people of Israel on the Day of Atonement. Wow, if this doesn’t connect the dots between the name and the “Eternal”, nothing will..
imho.
Really enjoyed the dialogue. It’s always good to hear and know two people can be respectful even if they don’t always agree on everthing. Thanks much gentlemen.
Nehemia, what is the name of the codex found in the british library that you mentioned?
Thank you very much in advance.
Yehovah be with you!
Check out my study Wow It’s a Vav!
Nehemiah, can you explain to me why we know that the vav says the v sound instead of it being a waw with a w sound? I thought someone said there was no v sound in ancient Hebrew. Is this true? Thank you so much for all of your research and wisdom. We sure enjoy what you have to teach.
Nehemia, did you ever find the Scripture you were looking for? I think the passage you were referring to is in John 17:12 and 17:26. In the prayer Yeshua prayed in the garden, just before He was arrested.: BTW: Thanks for this episode. It was so livening and informative.
My thoughts exactly ! John 17
John 17 Yeshua talks about revealing the Fathers name.
Would hat verse in John be John 17:6?
About the book of divine name, tell us more about it. who is the author of the book…
Just heard your, as usual, superb podcast. Ref. John’s Gospel regarding the Name of the Father, perhaps you are looking for John 17:6 (KJV) ? – Regards Oswald.
Yes, I was quite sure that was what you were looking for but I was not listening live. Thanks again for all you do to bring truth.
Now, may I ask? I’ve been looking for a scripture also. I think it’s in Exodus or Deut???? It says something to the extent that we must not practice pagan worship rituals and say we are doing it for YHVH. I know there are many verses condemning pagan worship practices but, as you said, “I may have dreamed it”, but I am so sure there is a verse that admonishes us not to do these things and then try to convince YHVH that “in our hearts” (ha ha) we are not doing it for the wrong reasons but for HIM.
I know it’s there somewhere. Maybe.
Yoseph is a Hebrew name. Yusuf is an Arabic names. I’m pretty sure there is no Arabic named “Oded”, since Arabic has neither an O or E vowels. Hebrew has 7 vowels + Sheva (so you could call that 8), whereas Arabic has only 3. The most common Palestinian surname (their equivalent to “Smith”) is al-Masri “the Egyptian”.
Those are the verses! We found them 2 minutes after the interview ended! LOL!
Study and meditation reveal a HUGE problem with how many twisted ways mankind has been learned in Scripture. Personally, I have learned that it is my responsibility to seek YHVH for His directives and keep fellowship with believer’s and He will bring truth!
Shalom to all and may we grow up a tender plant for all eyes to see!!!
…also…here in nz the natives (maoris) have a saying…”ya egg” which means ‘you idiot’
but to say it in their language its ‘ya hua’
so when i hear people say ye hua or whatever …its really ugly.
my name is michael (eng)miguel(esp) mikhail(rus) etc but i prefer to be called meekha-el which is true to form…and why not..we like to call a spade a spade.
the latest evidence says the name of the Most High is YHVH (He Who IS , Was, and Is To Come…thats what matters and so lets declare that name against all other usurpers (alla) (krish)(budd) etc.
names are very important..my friends are gay…that is gaye,but their name has been hijacked by some homosexuals representing the abomination..they need support to reverse this unholy distinction by way of petition.
Nehemia, I am so grateful for your ministry. Blessings.
Perhaps on the interview you may have been referencing some of my favorite verses???????
John 17: 6 “I have revealed Your Name to the men whom You gave Me out of the world. They were Yours, and You gave them to Me, and they have guarded Your Word
John 17:26 “And I have made Your Name known to them, and shall make it known,a so that the love with which You loved Me might be in them, and I in them.”
great interview and good to see visually rather than audibly
so how is it that some so-called “palestinians’ are named ibn josef, ibn oded etc..clearly israeli names??
are these people israelites and don’t know it ? or will they have to change their names to survive?
Very good video. The name problem is perpetrated by the sacred name sub-sects of which (and I know many) cannot speak Hebrew, and worse will not even listen to Nehemia. These Sacred name folks are no better with the Greek. Not all Messianic have that name problem.
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