Torah Pearls #49 – Ki Teitzei (Deuteronomy 21:10-25:19)
In this episode of The Original Torah Pearls, Ki Teitzei (Deuteronomy 21:10-25:19), an uninformed reading of the archaic civil and domestic laws in this portion might leave one scratching the head, but the trio deftly removes cultural and language barriers so … Continue reading →
In this episode of The Original Torah Pearls, Ki Teitzei (Deuteronomy 21:10-25:19), an uninformed reading of the archaic civil and domestic laws in this portion might leave one scratching the head, but the trio deftly removes cultural and language barriers so that the principles behind these pearls can be applied to the modern age. Discussions reveal what is at the heart of: Torah fashion statements, plowing with a donkey and an ox, installing parapets and taking millstones. Ki Teitzei underscores that the Torah is for all people, for all time—as its laws not only remedied ancient Canaanite traditions but also reached ahead to 20th century America when women’s rights finally began to get with the program. The portion concludes with the mind-bender of remembering to forget—and a reminder from Gordon that it’s a curse to have one’s name blotted out.
I look forward to reading your comments!
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Torah Pearls #49 – Ki Teitzei (Deuteronomy 21:10-25:19)
You are listening to The Original Torah Pearls with Nehemia Gordon, Keith Johnson, and Jono Vandor. Thank you for supporting Nehemia Gordon's Makor Hebrew Foundation. Learn more at NehemiasWall.com.
Jono: G’day to Alida in Florida, Desiree in Colorado, Patsy in Pennsylvania, Karen in Tennessee, Gail in Oklahoma, and Charles in Suffolk, in the United Kingdom. G’day, Charles. And it’s time for Pearls from the Torah Portion with Keith Johnson and Nehemia Gordon. G’day, gentlemen.
Keith: G’day.
Nehemia: G’day. Shalom, Jono. We’re getting near the end, aren’t we?
Jono: I’ll tell you what. It’s pretty close.
Nehemia: We’re getting there.
Jono: Yeah. See the light at the end of the tunnel.
Nehemia: I think we’re actually basking in the light as we’re doing this. And we were talking about doing the next round of maybe the Haftarah. I think we have to really pray about that.
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y study the heathen religion like mormonism??? when the Creator says not to learn way of the heathen.
You r right Victoria. I went through a divorce I didn’t want only to be told by a court commissioner that I didn’t have a choice.
I believe a buffalo would be a clen animal.
Toronto blessing..touché. I had my own laugh attack. False holy spirits, babies and bath water.
Appreciated your thoughts, Joanne. It is difficult to find time to sit and listen to the these recordings but, like you say: “they are of utmost importance” so I put other things aside to make the time.
I feel very cheated when my time is wasted with heartless stories of cruelty and teenage amusement. I did not find the story laughable in any way. I just want to applaud you for speaking up but also want to suggest that Nehemia did not join in the laughter. I might be wrong but I thought I heard him say something like: “Do you expect me to laugh at that”. I listened carefully and really did not hear him laugh at all, for which I commended him. To be honest, had he found that story humorous, I would have been very disappointed.
To Nehemia’s defense, I think I heard him say: “And you expect me laugh at that?” or something similar. I don’t think Nehemia laughed and I commended him for it.
Agreed. Well said, Janice. The whole teaching was tainted for me by the heartlessness of the act and then the never ending, uproarious laughter……..What? I was proud of Nehemia for not joining in.
Brilliant
Dear Nehemiah, thank you for being sensitive about the treatment of animals and refusing to laugh at the idea of wounding a pet with a BB….. Yes, the dog was being a nuisance but
a kind conversation with the owner might have made a difference. Maybe not, but that animal may have suffered greatly and perhaps no one even knew it was hurt.
Scripture clearly teaches about the treatment of animals and shooting it was not the Scriptural approach. To me, that 5 minutes of “hilarity” was a waste of my time and I really didn’t have time to waste. I respect you for not joining in.
buffalo should be clean J. W. .
If you wash a wool & linen garment the wool shrinks and the linen wrinkles and the garment is ruined. Deuteronomy 22:11
I was hoping to see a response to this from Nehemiah, as I’d like his perspective. Nevertheless, I do know that there is a scripture that says if there has been adultery (and I am saying by the man in this case), then the woman would be free to divorce and remarry and there should be no ‘abomination’ on her part. She was innocent
Here’s my two cents:
My wife, Linda, and I both had to work out our understanding of “marriage after divorce” – she never having been married, and I having been divorced. (This before we even met.) Bless Yah for our marriage! Regarding Malachi 2:16, we thank Nehemia for his clarification on “he hates,” and I would just like to add that even if you read it “He hates” (which I think He does), it still isn’t a commandment forbidding marriage after divorce. As Yeshua put it, “Because of your hardness of heart, Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way.”
Shalom aleichem.
Hi Nehemia!
This topic about divorce seems to be very deep and raises a lot of questions, in this case I would like to ask this:
A man can’t take back the woman he divorced if the woman has been already with another man because it is an abomination for Yehovah (she has been defiled as you mentioned it)… but, for the second man who marries her, doesn’t apply the same? I mean, she was with another man before, doesn’t that means that she has been “defiled” from the second man’s perspective? and for the second man to take her as his wife, wouldn’t be that an abomination too?
It brings to my mind 1 Corinthians 7:11 “But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband…”
and Romans 7:2-3 where talking about the “law of her husband”.. : “For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth;…. So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.”
So, how can we harmonize this? or what would be the Tanaj perspective/interpretation to Paul’s words?
Thank you, and I really hope to reads your comments.
a dog is male temple prostitute.
I agree.
Could it be that one fabric or material comes from a plant and the other from an animal? Combining/Mixing the plant and animal creations. Just a thought…
You obviously didn’t listen to Nehemia explain what most people read as
“Yehovah hates divorce”.
Please tell me why did David after cutting off the head of the giant, take his head to Jerusalem when Sauls army was killing the enemy at least 35 miles away. Why Jerusalem.
Nehemia, what happened to doing the Hebrew Matthew? Would love to hear it!
I am curious. Would you agree that because of the paganism, that the law to bring a child before the elders of stoning if the child is unusually difficult, is actually meant to take the the power of the parents to sacrifice their child from them and give it to the community. They were surrounded by nations where you could sacrifice your first born and it was perfectly okay. This law took that away from the parents.
Also, do any of these laws have anything to do with what happened with Noah and Ham?
Anita, do you know if linen and wool shrink at different rates? Perhaps that would have something to do with not mixing the types of fabric?
Great teaching guys. I just listened to the entire thing. Love the humor along with the many insightful comments. When I was a kid, the neighborhood dogs crossed the street when they got to my house. Because they knew if they didn’t I’d shoot them in the butt with my BB gun.
warp and the weft. i used to work in a cotton mill and a fiberglass / carbon fiber fabric weaving plant. but instead of the word “weft” most operators call it “fill”. they look at you weird when you say weft … also you are probably thinking of a plain weave, but there are many more …. don’t even bring up jacquard looms, that’s a horse of a different color
nearby here there is a corpse farm, where people donate their bodies to science. forensics students can then study the varying stages of decomposition and take notes. so, the people that donate their bodies, i guess to them it’s not a shameful thing to leave their body to rot in the open. most of them are caged to keep the vultures away so that the worms can do their work. i wonder if Torah speaks directly to this – these are usually people who died of natural causes, or at the worst, died in an accident
Donkeys have a tendency to nip and a side kick if they get annoyed.They did not remove horns. Oxen are not always paying attention to where their horns are.If they bump into another ox with horns.The horns may clank together or block them.So if you do this.You not only have temperment issues but also the strenght issues. Picture this:A smaller donkey is annoyed with oxen waving his horns around and finally nips or kicks the bigger stronger oxen who is waving his horns around.He then Gores the donkey.Now you have an injured and or dead Donkey.And by scripture you are suppose not have animals that gore. You have just lost use of both animals,and have to now either medic animals if they survive wounds.You are not harvesting/processing you field, which was your goal.
God said he hates divorce, pretty plain and simple. It is not your feeling on the matter that counts but it is his that counts, God’s. After all you will account for yourself on judgement day.
Could you comment on why Deut 23:9 (BHS Dt 23:10) translates “davar” as “thing” rather than “word”? Almost every English translation seems to this even when the LXX has “rematos”. Thanks.
Nehemia,
Though you made an interesting point of unfairly yoking both an ox and a donkey to a plow because of difference in strength of the animals, as one would work so much harder; if I’m not mistaken, a donkey or ass is stubborn, often known to lay down under the load, rather than work. Could be that the ox would not only be working to pull the plow, but also struggling to pull the lazy donkey along? Not sure it would be fair to any animal to be yoked in work to a donkey. Could it also be that the instructions have more to do with holiness than seen at first glance? Is not the oxen considered a clean animal, whereas the donkey, which if I’m not mistaken, is an unclean animal? Mingling clean with unclean?
You shall be holy, for I am holy.
You then relayed you did not understand about the wearing of wool and linen together. The same question sort of applies to the mixing of linen and wool. Though wool may have been from a clean animal, one is mingling plant product with animal product.
As for mixing seeds in the vineyard, I question whether G-d is against the mingling or cross-breeding of plants, and probably of animal species, that would not mingle naturally. Such as trying to cross a horse with a cow, (which would be unclean mingling with clean or a head of beef with a buffalo, When mankind develops hybrids of corn, soybeans, wheat, etc…,,, is not man basically thinking he can make a better product, than G-d?
Don’t “know” anything, just wondering. Besides Isaiah 55:8-9, Either we accept His ways or we don’t.
Any shepherd would gladly take out a strange dog/coyote/wolf anywhere near his flock. Personally, I had to shoot my neighbor’s pit bull – it was him or me, and I’m not gracious enough to suffer lifelong injury(or worse) to please modern sentiments. Torah Rocks!
I live in America. Where I live- I have NEVER seen a dog with clothes on except a small dog in winter to help it keep warm to go out to go bathroom. I live in one of the largest land mass cities in America. So this is not the case every where here.
If G-d does not hate divorce; does that mean He likes divorce? He prefers divorce over neglecting a wife while having girl friends? Jewish chained women? that’s what G0d hates?
G-d hates divorce. When we think of G-d brining Israel to the Mtn. Under the cloud; that was like marriage, right? The Shabbat the wedding ring. The coenant the marriage covenant; then when Israel violated the covenant; do we think G-d liked divorce? That He thought it was a good idea? Dont’ think so; it would not be a good moral foundation for family or a nation.
Mumser to English bastard, is not the same, the Mamser is a child born from the list of forbidden relationships, which is full of incestual relationships; not born out of marriage. Lots daughters are the first cause examples, who bore boys from the father, Moab and Ammorites who became big problems to Israel latter in history.
Many people have dog(s) as they have poor human relatonships or afraid to have them. Many choose to have doggies rather than children. US people are obssessed with their dogs/cats. Doggie day care? Doggies cloths?
Dogs do what dogs do; it’s the owners responsiblity to solve the problem. Be brave and deal with the owerner or animal control.
Keith – sounds like you have several doggie frustratins. If you have ought against your neighbor, due to doggie noise, go to him and reconcile, if he does not hear you take a 2nd person; if he still does not hear you; let him know you’ll have to call animal control. Shooting the dog even if only a bebee makes for good laugh for some; but shows lack of self control. How about better securing the trash can, and if not secure the dog, call the dog catcher or take it to the doggie jail.
Marriage is consumation of body and souls, HaShem enters in and there is a child born, HaShem hates divorce as it rips the soul of children in two. Commitment to marriage is more than just the married couple it involves the children and extendted family. That’s what happened to our courntry divorce made too easy; ripped apart the fabric f the nation, as divorce increased so did youth crime, homosexuality and transgender etc.
Two people who marry are not perfect, they both have defects, better to get good counseling to correct defects in married couple so they not pass it on to children and created divorced brokenhearted children.
Also, men and women’s brains are different, men want honor, respect, appreication, women want love. Read 5 love languages and find out with your wife what makes her feel loved. Women if you can’t tell a man, what makes you feel loved, he can’t guess. That’s fantacy for you to think he should just know.
Love in Hebrew is mostly translated as devotion, loyalty, faithfulness, to our oaths; not emotion. Love is what we do for another, that makes them feel good. If we marry for emotion; we’ll divorce as the emotion, love is gone.
The Unruly Son – To some degree we do this today, parents may go to the Pastor or Rabbi, with the problem son. They may do some evaluation of the marriage, parenting skills, and make recommendations for changes, if there is no change in the son. If the son continues in rebellion he may enter into crime, get faced with police, a jail sentence or worse execution. Rebellion must be stopped first in the home; before it harms community.
I met a women, single raising a boy who was rebellous, she actually took him to court to face a judge, and the judge told him to shape up or detention.
can you show us how to make the tzit tzits you gave in the picture
About the married couple that gets divorced or separated and the woman has sex with another man, what happens if the couple gets back together anyway?
A question about linen & wool: I have seen a study that indicates that linen has healing qualities — something to do with how it reflects light. wool also has some kind of properties, but together they cancel each other out. Is there really some scientific studies that would describe such properties?
This is one of my favorite! You 3 make it fun to read these scriptures again. Enjoyed the humor very much… and even the BB gun 🙂
PROPHET PEARLS ARE ALWAYS A WELCOME ADDITION TO THE TORAH PORTION. PLEASE DO NOT STOP THESE.
PRAISE YAHSHUA ALL,
Scaring the dog firstly would be shooting next to the dog not the dog. Secondly no one needs to shoot an animal there are other methods of teaching animals void of pain and suffering. THE TORAH TEACHES THAT WE ARE TO TAKE GOOD CARE OF ANIMALS AND THAT WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEM AND THEIR WELL BEING. YOUR ACT KEITH WAS THE OPPOSITE AND CRUEL, IS THIS THE TYPE OF THING YOU WERE TEACHING YOUR CONGREGANTS? LOOKS LIKE DAWN PASSED THE TEST AS A POTENTIAL. YOU SHOULD BE MORE RESPONSIBLE AND LESS SELFISH.
NEHEMIA i UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAD A RHODESIAN RIDGEBACK AND YOU LAUGH ABOUT HIS IRRESPONSIBLE ACT OF CRUELTY. WOULD YOU HAVE LAUGHED IF IT WAS GEORGIA.
JONAH YOU ALSO KEEP ANIMALS AND YOU ALSO FIND THIS AMUSING SHAME ON YOU. HOPEFULLY THIS IS NOT WHAT YOU TEACH YOUR CHILDREN. WE HAVE SPENT THOUSANDS ON VETENARY BILLS ON OUR ANIMALS BECAUSE OF NEIGHBORS WHO LACK THE LEVITICUS 19 MITZVOT. OH AND YES YOU ARE YOUR BROTHERS KEEPER BY THE WAY, JUST IN CASE YOU HAVE FORGOT. SORRY BUT WE NEED TO SAY IT LIKE IT IS.
LOVE IN YAHSHUA.
LOVE IS CORRECTIONAL.
Everything comes from Yehovah, why? to test what is in a man’s heart. Hope you find a solution to the trash/dog issue. Unfortunately, in the US I don’t know why everyone has one or more dogs when they can’t care for them properly. The demand for our rights, is narcissistic, when should spend more time working on what is our responsibility to fellow man and animals. This should be similar to if an comes and gorges your sheep; the owner of the dog is neglecting their responsibility.
When I was a kid we played with BB guns often, and I felt the sting of more than one BB while playing rough as kids do. Unpleasant…. sure, but it didn’t even slow down the play! So, let’s keep it real people, Keith didn’t attempt to truly harm the dog. He gave it a sting. I love animals too, and I would NEVER try to harm any creature, but to give a misbehaving pet a sting is hardly evil abuse. Lighten up folks.
Excelent as always. Crazy thought could it be possible Caleb was named Caleb because his mother fled with the Israelites to escape from a life of temple prostitution thus saving her son from that culture. Way out there but could not help but to wonder. Thank u so much.My vote is contiune on explaining the Torah in any way lead. I can not get enough. Keith scaring away any animal via b b is an extremely gracious act in this neck of the woods. Chin up 🙂
I could be wrong? I understand Keith shot the dog but not dead. Doubtful that a single BB could kill a dog unless the it was extremely powerful, from very close range or it penetrated an eye or a cavity. Didn’t Keith say that the dog didn’t return… meaning that it learned not to mess with his garbage?
“You will worship wood and stone” seems to refer to others than Jews, The Jews weren’t perfect but did not have crucifixes.
Love is our supreme emotion given to us by Yah, it is our choice if we want to use it or withold it, either way we will be judged according to our works.
Simply said, mankind is loosing thier love for other creatures, it starts with the environment, animals..it ends with human beings. Dog should not have been shot dead for being hungry
I love to hear your comments on the Torah portions.
In the Torah portion of Ki Teitzei, where it talks about the “mixed cloth”, might I offer this,that when weaving you mix linen and wool thread they will have a tendency to shrink when washed at a different rate than all one type of thread, and your garment would not work too well. Also, your making the two together, it would I think make a difference in the percentage of each in the wool to linen, how they are kept clean, etc.so you would not want to mix them. I have very little experience weaving but what I do have indicates you want to use the same thickness, the same type of thread origin because you get a texture you do not want in the cloth to wear. Just a thought.
I prefer Nehemia’s versions as we as Gentiles need to know this. You all forgot that in the old testament that Yehovah does say He hates divorce and that was never His intent but,,,, because of the hardness of their hearts. You guys didn’t address this and it is also important as it goes to intent for a divorce. I wish also Nehemia was a little clearer without the joking about the illegitimate child. I will repeat this teaching to see if I can get to the answer between the joking. Maybe next time. I wish you guys would limit the joking as some of us out here are listening intently to get to the truth. I think that Nehemia is correct in teaching the Hebrew and not worry about how some people are interpreting it as in the issue of divorce. Keith, I want to know the Hebrew translations as that is the only way we can get to the truth. I can handle the truth and I am sure others can too.
Shavu’ah-tov, Nehemia, Jono & Keith!
As iron sharpens iron, so does this study sharpen me and my understandings.
Nehemia, I have never heard about Mosheh divorcing Tzipporah, so I do not know from which portions of Scripture you are basing this on. When I looked up the usage of shilluach/shilluchim (send away), I found it used only 3x – Shemot/Exo. 18:2, 1 Kings 9:16, and Michah 1:14. In 1 Kings it is translated as “dowry” gift from the Pharoah for his daughter’s marriage to King Sh’lomo. In Michah it is translated as “farewell gift (divorce)” from Yerushalayim to Moreshet-Gat because Yahveh-Elohim says that she had caused Yisreal to sin. In Shemot/Exodus it is translated as “sent her back” meaning Mosheh had sent Tzipporah (and their 2 sons) back to Yetro. Because this does not clearly spell out the meaning, I took it in the context of 18:1-7 which includes the fact that not only did Tzipporah and the 2 sons come with Yetro to meet Mosheh and the whole company of the exodus, but that he sent word ahead to Mosheh that they were with him and called them “your wife and her two sons”. Just because Tzipporah and the two sons are not spoken of again, does not mean Mosheh rejected them. When I read this I see not that Mosheh just shilluchimed (divorced and sent)Tzipporah to her father but that he did so with perhaps the foresight of giving her the ability to stay alive (thus he “gifted” her as well) and thus as a divorced woman, she has the ability to choose to find another husband; because surely Mosheh knew how thin the thread of life for himself was at the hands of Pharoah! But when she and both sons come back with Yetro to meet Mosheh, it is also possible that it in itself is her answer to Mosheh’s act of kindness in “shilluchiming” her, and she did not want the divorce but chose him?
Thank you three for the enlightenment about the impalinghanging of the corpse of the rebellious son, the reason that this is an affront/curse to Yahveh-Elohim, about the “cross-dressing” in order to appear as the opposite sex, the “loan-sharking interest” on loans, and the correct translation about WHO it is that detests/hates divorce!
I also had a question about what it sounded like you, Nehemia, said about 23:18-19, and that you thought the reason that the ee of the whore/female temple prostitute and the pay of the “dog”/male temple prostitute wasn’t to be brought into the House of Yahveh was because the person bringing it was looking to purchase which ever prostitute they wanted service from. Did I understand you correctly? Because verse 19 says ” you shall not bring the fee of a whore or the pay of a dog into the house of Yahveh your Elohim in fulfillment of any vow, for both are abhorrent to Yahveh your Elohim.” This sounds like it is either the whore or the “dog” that is trying to bring a portion of their “wages” to be used as a vow fulfillment unto Yahveh-Elohim. Have I missed something in the translation?
Shavu’ah tov!
Yup! on Malachi 2 verses about divorce. Not only do they make sense now, but the point in time when God was giving them to me makes sense. Thank you.
So, my take on this:
Divorce is given as a remedy for a broken marriage… but that doesn’t say that marriages are designed to be broken in the first place. Foundations of Torah originate in the Design of Creation, which involved the picture of one man and one woman, mated for life. Just because it doesn’t say that God hates it, doesn’t mean that it’s “a good thing” — only that it’s a merciful end to unwisely chosen misery.
Where else do we find the “functional marriage” picture in Torah?
Awaiting Torah Pearls special on the subject of divorce.
So the scripture in Mal’akhi that says I hate divorce is talking about the man hating it because he doesn’t want to divorce his wife according to the hebrew translation? I would really like to hear an indepth study on this or any other info you have Nehemia.Really enjoy listening to you all.Also Iv’e been to Shiloh.
First I want to say that I am grateful for you efforts to help us/me learn torah and may YHVH bless you for your efforts and us in our hearing and understanding.
However, (the but always gets you in the butt) if you are spending 700 hours editing why didn’t you edit out the part about the dog?
Keith, in my humble opinion you were in the wrong, not the dog. I’m surprised that Jonah and Nehemiah laughed with you in your cruel act and you even aired it.
A person is responsible for their property. Keith you are responsible to make your garbage suitable for leaving in the pick up area so that it will not attract unwanted attention. If you had put some kind of poisonous or dangerous matter in your garbage and a child was injured (such as an old fridge, children used to get caught in them and they died of suffocation) you would be liable; if you don’t fence your pool, you are liable, etc. Your home is supposed to be safe for all, as stated later in the broadcast. I’m surprised that none of you connected it.
That dog was in fact gleaning, which is allowed in torah. In fact it is about the only way for an animal to feed itself when it does not have an owner to care for it. The birds regularly eat my berries in my garden, that doesn’t give me the right to hurt them. It is my responsibility to place a barrier so I can at least get a few. (Believe it or not the birds actually squawk very loudly at me as if I’m taking their berries).
God gave us dominion over the flora and fauna of this planet. (unless Nehemiah can show me otherwise in torah).
Your action of shooting the hungry dog, was not teaching the dog, it was showing your lack of compassion for the animal. First you enticed him with something he needed – food. Then you took out your frustration on him because you would have to clean up the mess he made because you did not do your job effectively by making the garbage secure. Then you all laughed about it.
I will continue to nibble at the table of ‘Torah Pearls”, please don’t shoot me too. I’ll try not to make a mess.
This program is too important to many of us who are so grateful for the true teaching and meaning of the Word.
Thank you all again for all your effort and time in caring for the sheep who need to be fed spiritually. Your insight and diligence to the truth of the matters is of utmost importance to us all.
The dog didn’t bite Keith, he offended Keith. I wish Keith had not shot the dog, even with a bb gun. You really have to imagine that this dog was simply hungry. It sounds like Keith’s neighbor is a lousy one. Otherwise- I enjoyed this Torah portion.
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