Torah Pearls #2 – Noach (Genesis 6:9-11:32)

jc is false.

jc never existed.

how long after leaving the ark???other wise where did the extra animals come from???

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My question is on a completely different topic from this portion, Gen 7:11 says, “the fountains of the deep were broken up”. I don’t know why that passage caught my eye, but I’m wondering if there is anything in the Hebrew about that?

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Nehemiah said one incorrect thing. He said Noah cursed Ham. He did not: he cursed Canaan. Now why, if Ham sinned against Noah, would Noah curse Ham’s son?

Gen 9:24 “When Noah awoke from his wine and found out what his youngest son had done to him, 25 he said,
“Cursed be Canaan!
The lowest of slaves
will he be to his brothers.””

The answer may be found by reading the account a little closer:

Gen 9:22 “Ham, the father of Canaan, saw his father naked and told his two brothers outside.”
Now read Lev 18:7:
“You must not expose your father’s nakedness by having sexual relations with your mother. She is your mother; you must not have sexual relations with her. 8 You must not have sexual relations with your father’s wife; she is your father’s nakedness”

Ham’s crime becomes clear. He had sex with Noah’s wife. Canaan was the product of that union. God had previously blessed Noah’s sons (Gen 9:1 “God blessed Noah and his sons…”) so he could not then curse whom God had blessed. If Canaan was not the product of a forbidden union he would be innocent and could not be cursed.

Now, I say Ham had sex with “Noah’s wife” because there is no evidence Noah’s wife at this time was the mother of any of his sons. She may have been Noah’s second wife. Hence the relevance of Lev 18:8 above.

Another theory is, as Noah’s second wife, she was the mother of Noah’s youngest child, Ham. In which case incest and Lev 18:7 come into play.

The fourth woman ever mentioned in the Bible is Naamah, the last known direct descendant of Cain. Some Jewish legend says she was Noah’s wife or at least one of them.

The Cainites were the people walking the earth whom Yehovah decided to destroy due to their sinfulness. Having the bloodline of Cain survive the flood makes sense considering God’s attitude towards the Canaanites and the fact Noah’s own great-grandson Nimrod (through Ham) invented pagan religion and opposed God.

I believe that Scripture explicitly points to Ham’s offense being mocking (laughing at) his father being drunk and laying naked in his tent. Very often, Rabbinical commentaries seem to be the product of imaginations loosed from rational reality by over consumption of wine and irreverence.

Pearls collected:
1.Same with Jono, I also thought Herews ate mutton as main meat food. It is first time to know that Arabs do but only culture meaning for Herews. Then what is common meat food for Hebrews? I would like to learn more about this food culture.
2.Seeing the naked body of father means having sex with father.This point reminds me Jesus talk about even seeing or thinking the woman image is same to having sex(Matthew5:28).Someone said that Jesus’ law is more strict than Yehovah’s Torah considering this as evidence.I think this view seems a little like Buhda philosophy. In their mouth, sometimes Jesus is more relax than Yehovah, sometimes Jesus strict than Yehovah. But never same. I feel something need to be deep discussed.
3.I only know 70 people of Jacob family when they down to Egypt but did not know descendants of three sons of Norach also are 70. However, I have counted the Chinese edition together with NKJV edition five times, why I always counted out 71?😵
Nimrod should be counted?
Question:Is 70 is just a culture meaning number but not prediction of real will happen about gentile countries?
4.Elohim is plural in quality
but not the quantity. I agree. “Let the text speak text itself”.This is a golden sentence. So it is not reasonable for gentiles to find Jesus from grammar of Elohim in Herew.

With all the discussion with the curse of Canaan, Zechariah 14:21 provides an interesting note in the future of Canaanites in conjunction with the last day.

I appreciate your teaching as always, Nehemia, Keith, and Jono. Blessings to you, and peace from the Father.

Gen 4:26
“And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.”
The words ‘men began’ can more accurately be translated ‘ to profane’. Seems to make more sense since then comes the flood. Besides the fact, talking with God seemed more usual then.

I meant the curse came through Cannaan

Seeing his fathers nakedness could also mean that Ham may have had sex with Noah’s wife, which would make sense that he cursed Cainaan, maybe he went into his fathers tent,which the word tent could mean his or hers being it has the ה indicating her tent, maybe she became pregnant from Ham and so the curse was passed through Ham.

I have always understood the Ham Noah thing as Leviticus 20:11 because as they are introduced as son’s of Noah, Canaan is introduced as being Ham’s son as though they all came from the same mother, and the curse went to Canaan not Ham. Though that could just be a KJV interpretation. Because Noah didn’t have anymore kids that we know of because he could not lay with her anymore. I just assume he didn’t have anymore kids but they lived nearly a thousand years and that is a long time to go without kids.Now I get to rethink it all.

Pray about it.

In the commentary for Noach, Nehemia interprets “exposing the nakedness” in light of Leviticus 20:17 17 “If there is a man who takes his sister, his father’s daughter or his mother’s daughter, so that he sees her nakedness and she sees his nakedness, it is a disgrace; and they shall be cut off in the sight of the sons of their people. He has uncovered his sister’s nakedness; he bears his guilt. ”

Using this verse Ham has sex with Noah. However, I think the better verse to interpret with is Leviticus 18:8 “You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father’s wife; it is your father’s nakedness.” In this interpretation Ham had sex with Noah’s wife. Whether she was also Ham’s mother is probably not important to the story. The result of that intercourse was that she becomes pregnant with Canaan. Noah curses Canaan (not Ham) because Canaan is the result of incest.

I have a question. how did ham expose the nakedness of Noah. What happened ?

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Were those pastors born after Moses received the commandments? If so then seems like they are just looking for excuses to do what they want even if it is unclean to me.
They could eat plants too but do those pastors make salads with poison ivy?
Being a little facetious but I think you can see my point.

They couldn’t eat animals while on the ark. Now they are off of it and can eat them again. Not meaningless at all

Nephilim =feller, bully, tyrant. It has nothing to do with size of genealogy. If you are an English speaker and put in the word tyrant it makes sense and gets rid of lots of the rather extreme theories and doctrines that have popped up.

Love the mini lesson on majestic plural ! as a biblical unitarian and believer in yeshua , my prayer is that those coming into Torah will also come into the truth that messiah is not God! our High oriest , our redeemer our soon coming King from the seed of David ..the second adam ..who has a God , the one Almighty alone , YHVH!

As always.. got a new pearl.. did not know the curse on the ground was removed.. how I never caught that is beyond me.. thanks guys.. shalom and blessings sent your way!

Once again you guys blow my mind and I never walk away without an “Ah ha” moment. Thank you for your work in revealing Yehovah’s word to us so we can better understand. <3

Is there another teaching somewhere on the Genesis 9:3 controversy?

The debate over Peleg is “Does ‘divided’ refer to the continents splitting apart, or to political division of the earth after the languages were confused at Babel?” John Baumgardner of Institute for Creation Research has shown conclusively that the continents were divided starting at the beginning of the flood. This leaves only the interpretation that this was the political division of the earth after Babel. For a fascinating insight into the events of Babel, including human sacrifice in the tower, read the Mayan creation story: the Popul Vuh.

WOuld love to know at some point what Gen 10:25 means with the naming of “Peleg”, and “for in his days the earth was divided”.

As far as God removing the curse of the ground, I neither see it in English translations nor in real life. I checked multiple translations- KJV, NKJV, NLT, NIV, ESV, CSB, NASB- all expressed the idea of God never adding a curse rather than removing the original curse. Also, Genesis 3:18 describes the curse of the ground as that of producing thorns and thistles.

I think Canaan was cursed because God himself had already blessed Ham (Genesis 9:1). In Numbers 23, Balaam explains that he cannot curse Israel because God had already blessed Israel.

grace is a name of a Goddest I believe?

Re: all the. meat eating comments…you should read The land of Meat and Honey, by Karaite scholar DR Schmuel Asher

I never heard the answer to “Does the post-flood diet really include the “all”-you-care-to eat buffet?” Because I know a couple of Christian Pastors who do reference Gen 9:3 to justify their consumption of pork. I say that YHVH didn’t change his mind about what was considered food and what is not and that the key word is “food” but I wanted a better more direct from the word either by corrected translation or cultural history to defend the perspective that YHVH did not mean that verse to mean you can eat what you want.

but it says moving thing?

I love you Nehemiah, Brother Keith, and other dude from “down under”.

So, there seems to be a “cute banter” that is going on here. And yet…. I will reestablish my comment after

Nehemia,

I am hoping you can clarify for me the understanding that people began eating meat only after the flood. I am puzzled about it because of the passage in Genesis 4, that talks about Abel bringing an offering of the firstborn of his flock.

In reading Leviticus we learn that burnt offerings were to be eaten – sometimes by the person who brought it, sometimes by the priest, depending on what the offering was for. I don’t have the sacrificial ordinances all memorized and I am going off memory here. Abel’s offering certainly sounds like it was a particular burnt offering in which the fat was offered separately, like the peace offering or the sin offering. Numbers 18 comes to mind in regard to Abel’s offering being the firstborn.

Can you shed any light on why offerings would not have been eaten before the flood but would have been eaten after the flood?

Thank you!

The idea that eating meat was permitted “once again”, and not for the first time makes Gen. 9:3 meaningless: “Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.” By “green herb”, Yehovah is referring back to Gen 1:29 “And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.” This verse says nothing about eating animals, only herbs.

Can you give your source for Canaan being the father of all the post flood Nephilim? I have searched the scriptures and find nothing on their geneology. Anaq is OF the Nephilim, and son of Arba. Arba’s geneology is not given.

Yes, Ham probably had sex with Noah’s wife (not Ham’s mother) who it turns out had Nephilim genes since that act resulted in Canaan from whom came all the post flood Nephilim.

See comments below: Cain probably “uncovered Noah’s nakedness” by having sex with Noah’s wife.

Mt.Ararat is a shield volcano that would have formed after the flood. The ark is supposedly on a ledge at 14,000 feet. According to Genesis the water was only 45 feet above the mountains. None of the mountain ranges were pushed up until after the flood. The water was simply not 14,000 feet deep, only a few hundred.

I am motivated in my old age (81) to learn Hebrew for several reasons: First, to be able to understand TORAH without translation by others who may or obviously do have a contrary agenda (ex., “King James Version”); second, because I am convinced I am one of the Lost Tribes (probably Ephraim) and will therefore be ingathered to the modern state of Israel in these Last Days; and thirdly, because YHVH has said through the prophets that He would put a “clean tongue” in our mouths. The question is, do I study Biblical Hebrew, or conversational Hebrew? Apparently there is such a difference that I must choose one over the other. I will start with learning the Hebrew alphabet and sounds, but for the rest, how would you advise, Nehemia?

If you read the Quiche Mayan book of creation, the Popul Vu, it refers to their fleeing from what looks to be the Tower of Babel. They describe a Nimrod figure there who demanded from them humans to sacrifice. He would be sacrificing them on the tower I presume.

Why did Noah curse Canaan instead of Ham? After all Ham is the one who saw his father’s nakedness.

only one wife….but a new one…not the mother of the boys and I have no idea when/why this would have happened. I’m just speculating based on the terminology. “Seeing his father’s nakedness” is having sex with a father’s wife. “Seeing his mother’s nakedness” is having sex with his mother. Therefore the mother is not the father’s wife.

I don’t understand? Noah only brought one wife (eight people on the ark) so what other woman could this have been? If Ham had sex with his mother rather than his father, and produced a child – Canaan, this might explain why Noah cursed Canaan instead of cursing Ham? I’ve always wondered about this? This would mean that Noah waited at least nine months to make this curse?

As far as the sexual act, “seeing his father’s nakedness” is having sex with Noah’s wife but this woman is not his mother. Had it been his mother, Ham would have “seen his mother’s nakedness”. Leviticus does not describe “seeing his father’s nakedness” as a homosexual act. It describes it as having sex with his father’s wife.

Perhaps there is a command to eat only food that can be “stored” while on the ark (Gen 6) and after the flood, eating meat from clean animals (oklah) is permitted once again. IOW, this is not about identifying the vegetarian diet before the ark and the meat eating diet after the ark. It’s about specifically what is to be eaten while on the ark.
I think a case could be made that the sacrificial system was not about feeding YHVH but about offering to Him and partaking in that offering by taking in or consuming the flesh. Therefore the 1000 years of sacrificing before the flood as Cain/Abel were obviously instructed to do and we assume others as well, would not just be about slaughtering animals and throwing away the meat but instead about consuming or taking part (eating the flesh) of that which is offered up.
On the ark, this would or should not be done since there is no altar. And what would happen to the 2 pairs of clean animals if they were supposed to eat their meat? And how would that meat be “stored”?
Perhaps YHVH is saying in chapter 9 that “NOW” you can eat meat (oklah) again after leaving the ark.

It became a necessity to have YeHoVaH’s Word be written by Moses in the Hebrew language to preserve the integrity of His Word due to the curse of the Tower of Babel were at the time the language was confused. Israel carries a very big responsibility to break their silence to spread the truth to the public about The Word of YeHoVaH.

If there is a majestic plural in the Hebrew language then what we can understand in Genesis 3:24 where “the cherubim” was mentioned who was placed on the east of the Garden of Eden. The hidden clue to break the mystery is in this passage the time YeHoVaH gave to humanity His Law and His Spirit in the form of The Flaming Sword that guards the way to the Tree of Life. In this passage there is a hint that there were two entities: YeHoVaH sent His Son/The Flaming Sword to help humanity to return to the Tree of Life and YeHoVaH placed Satan to the tree of knowledge of good and evil/seat that he used to deceive Eve for the final fulfillment of the prophecy in Ezekiel when Yeshua HaMashiach’s feet will split the Mount of Olives: He will crush your head and you Satan will bruise His heel. The missing part of the puzzle that help us understand the 13 attributes of YeHoVaH is in this passage if we seek the truth.

I love goat meat! You should try it. 🙂

I learned so much! thank you for these teachings!

One More thing was wondering Perhaps Ham was thinking he was taking the opportunity to obey Gods commandment bereshit 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth Could this be the reason he told his brothers outside thinking they could follow suit but obviously his brothers knew the folly of his actions 9:22 Ham the father of canaan,saw his father’s nakedness and told his two brothers outside This thought came to me too that the scripts are
about geneology aren’t they? ps 119:18 Todah YHWH our Rav shalom shalom debarah

yohm tov achi shalom shalom
thank you YHWH for putting a love for his knowledge in you In regards to Ham taking advantage of his fathers nakedness: A man once brought the verse Lev 18:8 concerning what his fathers nakedness was and after hearing Nehemia’s comment on the matter looked up and found these other verses Lev 20:11 and Deut 27:20 Please consider also how many times in this passage Ham is referred to as fathering Canaan (9:18;22 and 25)25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

26 And he said, Blessed be YHWH God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.) In verse 25 Canaan is cursed by Noah and is said to be his brothers slave Wonder why Noah curse Ham’s son Canaan and not Ham?
In loo of these verses it does seem to be referring to Canaan as Shem and Japheth’s brother Do appreciate your not wanting to take things out of context Nehemia and the admonition to keep reading Keith berechah shalom shalom

Paraphrasing Lev. 18:8 Do not have sex with the wife of your father, for it is your father’s nakedness.

Is it possible the reason Canaan was cursed is because he was the product of Ham’s union with “Noah’s nakedness” i.e. Noah’s wife?

RE the discussion around 40min.
Why do scholars today, take Bart Ehrman for example, insist that the language of Yeshua’s day was Aramaic? I could imagine Aramaic being used in Galilee as a second language, and it seems as though Greek was spoken on the border of the Decapolis (John12:20-22), yet Luke’s is at some pains in Acts to point out that Yeshua apparently spoke Hebrew to Saul/Paul (Acts26:14) and writes of three languages being written above the crucifixion site at Golgotha (Luke23:38); Greek, Latin and Hebrew. What gives?

Further to the matter of language, we have this obscure word, Nephilim here in Genesis6:4. How does H5303, Nephil (sg.) relate to the Greek word, Nephele, G3507, The Cloud Of God, or cloud?

The word translated as “owner” is be’alav, which is appears twice and both times is a majestic plural. The literal translation would be “his owners.” Be’alav is a combination of be’alim + o = be’alav. The -im is there, but it’s obscured by the contraction with the possessive suffix. Other examples in Exodus 21 of majestic plural are in verse 6 (adonav = odonim + o = his master), verse 8 (adoneha = adonim + ah = her master), verse 32 (adonav = his master), and verse 34 (be’alav = his owner).

Nehemia,
I listened to this portion today, you said that Exodus 21 is another example of majestic plurality. I assume the pertinent periscope is Ex 21:28-32 but what am I missing? It sure doesn’t look plural to me:
ואם שור נגח הוא מתמל שלשם והועד בבעליו ולא ישמרנו והמית איש או אשה השור יסקל וגם־בעליו יומת׃

personally I belive the ark is on MT Arrarat. for one reason God is long suffering and has no desire to punnish even the most rebellious of His creation. so evidance is scattered every where throught the universe declareing His word ;wether you say Bible or Torah, God’s love will allways make it harder to dissbelive than to acknowlage Him as the First and The Last; giving us more opertunity for grace than Justice. If Ireceived justice for my deeds hope is lost; but if I say ,” not my will but Thine,” the leval of hope and freedom can not be contained. My finite being is overwhelmed with The Name YHVH.

This has blessed me If i train my thoughts I can “walk with God” I have found grace because The Torah God’s word makes sense to me. Not everyone has received this gift. A man is not innocent because he is not aware of sin but seeking humillity will reveal sin fulness, and provide a path to God’s name; and recreate man in the image of God.

I have an issue with the traditional interpretation of Bereshit concerning the order of commandments, as Jono [?] seems to mention. Christians maintain that God said firstly to procreate. Yet in Gen. 2:15, Adam is alone and he is commanded to tend the garden. Surely this is the First Commandment and the one which has truly been most ignored. Now the NWO agenda is pushing this as a means to an end, as esoterically shown in the recent movie “Noah”.