Torah Pearls #19 – Terumah (Exodus 25:1-27:19)

he was right on until the last paragraph.

Jc never existed.

Not.

I grew up with science, without God. I later learned of God and I believe He is science. So when I hear this I see all the gold that was used even in paper thin sheets. I think why? Gold is one of if not THE best conductor of electrons. Electrons hold an atom together. We and everything are made of atoms. We in HIM and HE in us. I don’t know exactly how, but God is, in my mind, in atoms. He is all power, we are told we can’t look upon Him. Try looking at lightening. What happens to a tree struck by lightening. That is why it all had to be coated or made of gold. He freely moves in gold. Heart of gold or heart of wood/stone.

Oh keith, you had me so excited that you were challenging paul and the book of hebrews 😞 i wanted the money-ball 😭 lol!

Sorry, but the attempt to excuse Hebrew’s obvious ERROR here is scholastically dishonest. The Greek here is:

χρυσοῦν ἔχουσα θυμιατήριον καὶ τὴν κιβωτὸν τῆς διαθήκης περικεκαλυμμένην πάντοθεν χρυσίῳ ἐν ᾗ στάμνος χρυσῆ ἔχουσα τὸ μάννα καὶ ἡ ῥάβδος Ἀαρὼν ἡ βλαστήσασα καὶ αἱ πλάκες τῆς διαθήκης

The first part is continuing with the object of the Most Holy Place, but in the second part the object changes to the Ark. The prepositional phrase ἐν ᾗ here is directly linked grammatically to the Ark and there is absolutely NO way to separate it with Xtian gymnastics and somehow take the jar and rod out of the Ark.

The key versicles to understand that are Col. 2.8 and Col 2.22, you need to ask yourself this simple question: Are the books of Moses doctrine of men or rudiments of the world? If they are not, then read again the complete chapter and you will fully understand what Paul means with that.

I would like to know what is Colossians 2:16 truly meaning. Thanks.

i have enjoyed Camber’s bit of truth on people not going to heaven. It drives me bonkers to hear that the dead r going to heaven. Praise Yehovah’s truths. Leave the christian nonsense out please.

Literally the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place, the Pope’s holy place, Rome. re: ur Arch of Titus menorah reference in ur featured pic….btw, our Altar of Incense lies sideways with the table of shewbread on top of it, in that Titus relief

I’m not against the NT, but I’m certainly not a fan of Paul. Throwing out the whole thing is like throwing the baby out with the bath water.

once again I say to all, please stay away from the false new testament as u r wasting your time.

That’s the list from Hebrews, and it is incorrect. Read 1kings8:9 & 2chron5:10. The author of Hebrews, whoever it was, got this wrong.

u r wrong about the ark, read the story about king david dancing before bringing it to the second temple.

I used to try to twist Hebrews to try and correct all the obvious errors. I gave it up.

Hebrews 9:3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;

4 Which had (The TABERNACLE WHICH HAD) the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein (still talking about the TABERNACLE wherein) was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron’s rod that budded (BREAK HERE)

and the tables of the covenant (connected to verse 5)

5 And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.

In other words, the TABERNACLE(the Holy of Holies) contained all those things and the tablets are the thing that had the cherubim over it because the tablets were inside the ark.

The author of Hebrews was Paul.He studied under Gamaliel do not think they studied the greek..

The seven reminds me about the church, enoch the 7th in genesis 5 between Adam to Noah, Revelation, the 7 churches, Jesus 7 parables.

The Temple as there are two, Solomon’s temple has differences. But a study of them is in some ways, Mind, body and soul.

How can a mountain be moved? How is a Snake Coiled?

Let US Hope those that now Sea wOOd become Blind, and those that are Blind woUld kNOW SEE the Mystery of Mighty YeHoVaH’s Treasured Moshiach! Let the Tongs Bring Forth The Burning Coals to bee placed upon Thirsting Lips, burning the Iniquity from a Golden Calf’s Heart, Mind & Soul! May The LIVING WORD be SEEN by The Circumcision of the EARS FIRST, then The Heart, Soul and Mind. Knowing the four skins of The Tabernacle the EVERLASTING Third Layer, White Lamb Skins turn Red as the Wetness of The Read SEE!

My Friend, Why should we assume that the Rod that Aaron had was 6 ft or even 5 ft, is it possible that we have been watching the Ten Commandment Movie to many times. By the way I do watch it everytime they play it. Its a walking stick it doesn’t have to equal in size to the man using it.

Ok, make it a five foot staff in a four foot box. The diagonal in the box is just four and a half feet (if you really squeeze) which also assumes there is nothing else in the box.

When you add the two tablets into the floor of the box, the diagonal gets even smaller. If you assume Aaron was short, and had a short staff, that also shortens his cubit making the ark that much smaller (a cubit is the length from fingertip to elbow).

Do you think Aaron was four feet tall and carried a three foot staff?

There is simply no room for a staff in the ark.

Where in scripture does it say that the staff was six foot? or that Aharon was even that tall?

How can a six foot staff fit in a four foot box?

Nehemiah, it says in my Scriptures, Exo. 25:37 “And you shall make seven lamps for it, and they shall mount its lamps so that they give light in front of it. Does that mean the were more then one menorah in the “Set apart Place?

Nehemia, it was admirable of you to rectify Hebrews 9:4 with 1 kings 8:9, and 2 Chronicles 5:10. After carefully reviewing Hebrews 9:4 with these verse I believe theres another way to rectify theses verse. Yes scriptures says that the only objects in the Ark of Testimony were the 2 tablets, But this is over 500 years after I believe, Now lets examine wht Elohim told Moses concerning the mana, In Exodus 16:24 place the Jar manna before the Ark of Testimony to be kept throughout your generation. Also the Rod of Aaron was to be place before the ark of the Tesimony. So who was in charge keep watch of these artifacts. Theres No answer. So the question why did Elohim tell Moses is to be kept for generation? The only possible answer can be, it was a TESTIMONY to be remember by Israel for generations. So if these artifact are Testimony of Elohim, what better place to put them in but in the the Ark of the TESTIMONY to kept for generation. So another questions arises where are the tqo items(Rod,Manna). We know that when the Ark of TESTIMONY was bought back to Beth-shemesh and Elohim struck down 50000 for looking inside of the Ark of the TESTIMONY. Is it possible that it could have been remove at this moment of time? Look at what 1 Kings 8:9 says, there was nothing in the Ark of Testimony nothing (accept, save, but) the two tablets. Why did the writing make a point of stressing this out? And can possible look inside with out getting Struck by Elohim other then the High Preist only? Your response would be appreciated. thank you

Very interesting but would have liked to have heard more from Nehemiah Gordon. I didn’t appreciate the interruptions when he would begin to talk.

Thank you, guys, for all your discussion that enlightens us.

Yes, news flash! The final destination of man is NOT heaven; rather, the destination of God is the earth. See the end of the story in Revelation 21:3. God’s intention from the beginning was to come to earth, after it was made holy enough for him to dwell in. We are commanded in Exodus to build a tabernacle for him to dwell in our midst, we are commanded multiple times in Leviticus to be holy, as he is holy, we are reminded by Peter to be holy and develop our holiness, and elsewhere, to grow in the knowledge and grace of Yeshua the Anointed One. This is how we become holy enough to make our world holy. And once we have done our work of constructing a Tabernacle for God, making a place suitable for him to dwell in, by spiritually purifying, “holying” the earth, then he can come down and dwell amongst us. Food for thought: the cherubim’s faces are pointed down, as their ultimate goal is downward, to transport God’s throne downward, to the earth.

Shalom.

Didn’t the original menorah have straight branches instead of curved? I heard that the Romans, after they conquered/destroyed Jerusalem, carried around in the streets of Rome a “new” version of the menorah, their revised version, with curved branches like the one pictured, to show they had “bent” Judaism to their power and demands and thereby conquered it. A true menorah has straight branches.

Seems to me the ARK, is the safe, or box, the testimoney is edut, witness, or evidence, Yehova’s evidence, which was the tablets, jar of manna, the almond branch of aaron that budded. The ARK contains Yehova’s evidence.

Nehemiah, Your comment about the Dye being derived from a Worm and used in matters of holiness evokes a question that I have not been able to remedy. I operated a Health Food Business for ten years and it was common to have clients ask if there my products were Kosher. Most Nutriceuticals don’t reveal a Rabbinic stamp/logo but the actual source of the supplement was clearly not Levitically clean, such as Mushroom Extracts, Mollusk Extracts etc. I have heard a Rabbinical OPINION stating that since the product didn’t entail eating the host, the chemical extract of the host was acceptable to consume. Can you clarify ? Thanks

I love listening to the three of you. Your interrupting one another, your excitement, your laughter, your differences, your common ground; and especially the pearls the interaction pulls from Yehovah’s word. Thank you.

Shallom
There seems to be a marked difference between the construction of the tabernacle in the wilderness and the construction of Solomon’s Temple .

1) a) The Tabernacle in the the wilderness was made possible by the voluntary offerings of the the Israelites and the people who were redeemed from Egypt and their voluntary service for the construction of the Tabernacle . We see YHVH’s hand in the choosing of people to do his work and endowing them with special wisdom .

b) Most of the materials of Solomon’s Temple were accumulated by King David and later accquired by King Solomon . There was conscripted labour of the Goyim that were dwelling in Israel ; A heathen King was involved in the construction of the temple and it was done for the renumeration given .

Why this difference in approach to procuring items and the construction ?

What a wonderful discussion. I just now found it in 2016 from my FB feed.
But I’ll tell you, It all came together for me, when I read Lev. 16:14. That they were to only sprinkle the front of the atonement cover and on the ‘east’ side. That left the “west’ side clean and open for the future final atonement for the sins of all mankind. The Lamb of God, Yeshua, was sprinkled on that open west side at the time of the crucifixion. The Ark was hidden since the Babylonian exile. It was never in the 2nd Temple. No one ever knew where it was… except the Creator who place it in the appropriate site.
It was hidden under the ground of the crucifixion site and the divine blood of Yeshua dripped down to anoint that west side. That totally brings the entire story together. It is a well documented event that was discovered by one, Ron Wyatt, in the excavation in the Garden Tomb area in the ’80’s.. Michael Rood has also told the story well so all can understand. The greatest story never told, which will one day soon to be revealed. It truly was a covert operation by the Almighty. When you understand what happened at that moment… brings the entire Bible together.

Why has no one noticed that Heb9:4 puts the golden censer (golden alter of incense) inside the Holy of Holies? The golden censer is in the Holy Place before the veil. The author of Hebrews gets this wrong as well.

Jer31:33 says the covenant will be “renewed” while Heb8:10 uses a word which means “something brand new”. The author of Hebrews also gets this wrong. To be fair, the Septuagint also gets this wrong so perhaps the author of Hebrews was quoting from the LXX.

Hey there, you fellow wisdom seekers 🙂
First of all, to me the NT is not a very trustworthy source. Too much editing and censorship by people that do not know the ways of Jehova, but rather followed a false doctrine of Jesus. Becomes very evident especially in the book of HEB.
How dare the author(s) to state that Jah´s EVERLASTING covenant is obsolete and even bad/wrong !? By referring to JER 31? Well, maybe he got something crucial quite wrong there, probably because of lacking knowledge regarding the Hebrew language. “brit chadascha” was translated as “new covenant”. However, “chadascha” is derived from “chadasch” which means RENEWED, not new. (chadasch is also found in Psalms 51:10 , 103: 5 , Isiah 61:4 ). This is a very crucial, yet overlooked difference in meaning. If the covenant with His people (JER 31: 33 clearly states “with the house of Israel”) was renewed, it doesn´t imply that it is obsolete at all! Rather the opposite is true, it is reenforced!
But in which way reinforced? Well, JER 31:33 already gives the answer: “I will put my law within them and on their heart I will write it”. Why does Jah say this? Well, because He wants you to love Him with all your heart and to keep His words (Torah) within your heart (DEUT 6: 4-9). However, as we all know, Jisrael didn´t do so (interestingly, JHVH already knew they wouldn´t keep the covenant: DEUT 31: 16-30) Further, compare Isiah 29:13-14 for this matter: Although being very conservative and seemingly keeping the Torah, ancient and modern day Jews fail to do all this from their heart. It´s tradition, constructed by the Rabis and Pharisees, that perverts the true essence of the Torah – the instruction from JHVH to us humans as a key to a righteous (perfect) life – or as other people would call it: Gnosis. Isiah 58 is another very interesting reference to this context.
That´s also the reason why the prophet Yeshua (aka Jesus) was sent. His mission was to teach the Israelites how to keep Torah and it virtues from within the heart. Unfortunately, his teachings were corrupted so that Christians think all their deeds are legit, as long as they hail Jesus´name. However, this is not correct, compare Ecclesiastes 12:13 : JHVH will judge your deeds, whether you did them in the name of Christ or not. Eventually, as long as you live in the word of the Torah, your deeds will always be righteous. That´s the only reason why JHVH gave mankind His Torah, i.e. instruction (to a righteous life). Now ask yourself: To what extent does our modern capitalistic system with all its alleged comforts comply with His word …
Shalom

The contents of the Ark of the Covenant are, the 10 commandments tablets, the Rod of Aaharon/Aaron and Mana.

Lol I had the dame apprehension Nehemiah had that there wouldn’t be much to talk about with this instructions for the Sanctuary. But wow, talk about filling in the “silence” 🙂

Thank you for all the insights and laughs!

*same

This is a traveling throne of the KING, he rules from the Code of Law Under His feet; “to put your enemies under your feet”. Edut is yes, witness or evidence.

I appreciate your brotherhood.

As I understand it, the “first covenant” that is referred to is the covenant with Aaron. The book is about the priesthood and the reference is the covenant given to the Aaronic priesthood.

EXO 40:20 Then he took the testimony and put it into the ark, and attached the poles to the ark, and put the mercy seat on top of the ark.

Seems to me, if the ‘wherein’ refers back to “the Holiest of all,” that places the tablets along side the Ark, with the golden pot and Aaron’s rod.

HEB 9:4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron’s rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

For Keith…
Pray-tell, of which covenant does the author speak:
HEB 8:13 When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.

GEN 6:18 “But I will establish My covenant with you; and you shall enter the ark — you and your sons and your wife, and your sons’ wives with you.

GEN 17:7 “I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your descendants after you.

GEN 17:13 “A servant who is born in your house or who is bought with your money shall surely be circumcised; thus shall My covenant be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

EXO 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he did not eat bread or drink water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

Of course, Jeremiah tells us that the “first covenant” is not passing away, but rather is being written upon man’s heart.
JER 31:31 “Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,

JER 31:33 “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

NASB 1995

lol

After I listened to this , I heard a crow out side my door saying caha, over and over for about 3min.

While listening to your conversation on Terumah, you posted this funny story about Keith’s underwear on your Facebook page. You guys are so silly. Best regards from Republic of Srpska. 🙂